Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray versus DVD

From: <ghandman@library.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue Dec 15 2009 - 11:39:39 PST

Yeah...I agree

Faculty here always reach for 16mm first.

gary

> Gary, interesting point about the Blu-Ray for films studies, visual
> studies curriculum. I have frequent discussions with film studies folks
> here bemoaning the loss of 35 mm and 16mm (e.g. documentaries)
> capability for film studies. In the modern classroom, DVD on a projected
> screen is problematic for them, as is the typical assignment life cycle,
> which involves checking out a reserve DVD for viewing on a TV or
> computer screen. Is Blu-Ray a format that could be used to support a
> higher quality core collection for film and visual studies. resolution
> issues, etc. (I guess this means "enough to capture the hoped-for visual
> nuance and sound fidelity."
>
> The reality of film classes here is this: 40 student sections in gened,
> rare if any viewing lab sections, viewing of segments in class on
> Tuesday, discussion on Thursday, viewing the full DVD in between.
>
> Randal Baier
>
>
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>> ...I dunno about other academic institutions, but at Berkeley, a good
>> number of classrooms don't even have window shades, let alone projectors
>> that will do justice to Blu Ray.
>>
>> And let's think about this a bit: in the past three decades, I've
>> basically "rebought" the collection--or at least big chunks of it--two
>> to
>> three times: UMATIC to vhs, vhs to DVD, and in some cases, laser to vhs
>> to DVD. The well, as they say, is just about dry in this parched
>> budgetary landscape.
>>
>> Lastly, I'd argue that except for disciplines that focus specifically on
>> film as artistic/aesthetic artifact (i.e. Film Studies, Visual Studies,
>> etc.) Blu Ray is a unsupportable luxury. I'm speaking from the
>> perspective
>> of a collection which only circulates to faculty and grad student
>> instructors, but even if I DID circulate more broadly, I'd still
>> consider
>> BR an unsupportable luxury).
>>
>> I'm not gonna even venture into opinions about the long-term viability
>> of
>> the format...(I give it five years before TNBT* is foisted on the
>> consumer
>> market).
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> *The Next Big Thing
>>
>>
>>
>>> And this is why I like James so much! My concern for the future (and
>>> did I
>>> write this before) is that I or the archives I work with usually spend
>>> one
>>> to four years restoring a film. And then I spend another 100+ hours on
>>> the
>>> video master making sure it looks exactly like the day the director
>>> first
>>> screened it. I know this is not as urgent a concern for educational
>>> documentaries (and even this is an unfair statement), but I do think
>>> that
>>> there are some films that could benefit from the better definition. I'm
>>> not
>>> even suggesting that I bring out blu-rays of my past releases to sucker
>>> the
>>> buyers into buying another useless format. But is it worth the extra
>>> money
>>> to bring out blu-rays (instead of DVD since we can't afford to do both)
>>> of
>>> future releases such as the short films of Vittorio de Seta. He's very
>>> little known here, but back in the 1950s, he made some of the most
>>> beautiful, color, cinemascope films ever.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Steffen, James M
>>> <jsteffe@emory.edu>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Dennis.
>>>>
>>>> This article is basically in line with what I've read elsewhere about
>>>> the
>>>> rate of Blu-ray adoption by consumers. I had assumed that the
>>>> recession
>>>> would have more of an impact on the Blu-ray rollout than it apparently
>>>> did.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I don't think Blu-ray "another laserdisc in the making."
>>>> Physical discs will still be around for a while. For one thing, many
>>>> parts
>>>> of this country don't yet have the data infrastructure to support
>>>> downloading true hi-def movies on demand. I also suspect Blu-ray will
>>>> co-exist with DVD for quite a while. Many films and videos simply
>>>> don't
>>>> have
>>>> good enough looking elements to support a new transfer in high
>>>> definition.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, our library has started to collected a limited number of Blu-ray
>>>> discs, mostly of films that commonly get screened for classes. There
>>>> are
>>>> a
>>>> handful of newly constructed rooms on campus that have high-definition
>>>> video
>>>> projectors, and we have a plasma screen in our Group Viewing Room.
>>>>
>>>> If your school has a film/media studies program, it might be worth
>>>> considering Blu-ray down the road--if only because you can obtain a
>>>> more
>>>> film-like image for feature films shot in 35mm. With good hi-def
>>>> transfers,
>>>> you can even see some of the film's grain structure. Considering how
>>>> non-theatrical film rentals have largely died out, these days most
>>>> people's
>>>> contact with older films is only through DVD. It's sad to think how
>>>> screenings of VHS and DVD have replaced 16mm and 35mm, even in film
>>>> studies
>>>> programs. Schools used to have film rental budgets--where did the
>>>> money
>>>> go?
>>>> To me, the big downside of consuming films exclusively on the small
>>>> screen
>>>> or on standard definition video is that younger filmmakers will miss
>>>> out
>>>> on
>>>> the sense of nuance, texture and space that a large-screen, 35mm
>>>> projection
>>>> can convey. Also, if filmmakers compose mainly for the small screen
>>>> their
>>>> images will end up having less variety.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> James M. Steffen, PhD
>>>> Film Studies and Media Librarian
>>>> Theater and Dance Subject Liaison
>>>> Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
>>>> Emory University
>>>> 540 Asbury Circle
>>>> Atlanta, GA 30322-2870
>>>>
>>>> Phone: (404) 727-8107
>>>> FAX: (404) 727-2257
>>>> Email: jsteffe@emory.edu
>>>> Web: www.jamesmsteffen.net
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:39:46 -0500
>>>> From: Dennis Doros <milefilms@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [Videolib] Blu Ray versus DVD
>>>> To: Video Library questions <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <2ad8b9eb0912141339s3aa28043l968af83f8b5fd6b9@mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>
>>>> Well, it's obvious that no school media center really is into blu ray
>>>> and
>>>> not many public libraries are thrilled about it either. However,
>>>> completely
>>>> by coincidence, here's an article in the NY Times...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/14/technology/14bluray.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Blu%20ray&st=cse
>>>>
>>>> It kind of makes you wonder if this is just a puff piece, if the
>>>> individual
>>>> consumer is going to ahead of the curve of the institutions, or if
>>>> it's
>>>> another laserdisc in the making. It's what can drive everybody crazy.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best,
>>>> Dennis Doros
>>>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
>>>> PO Box 128
>>>> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
>>>> Phone: 201-767-3117
>>>> Fax: 201-767-3035
>>>> email: milefilms@gmail.com
>>>> www.milestonefilms.com
>>>> www.arayafilm.com
>>>> www.exilesfilm.com
>>>> www.wordisoutmovie.com
>>>> www.killerofsheep.com
>>>> AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:00:38 -0500
>>>> From: "Gwen Gerber" <ggerber@ebiomedia.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Online streaming media licenses (Gwen Gerber,
>>>> BioMEDIA ASSOCIATES)
>>>> To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
>>>> Message-ID: <028d01ca7d08$df155cd0$9d401670$@com>
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>>>> Today, BioMEDIA ASSOCIATES offers streaming media licenses for science
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>>>>
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>>>> or
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Use extracts or clips in teaching and learning endeavors within
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. We provide updated file formats as January 4, 2010 we will
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>>>> all
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As a distributor of media that is designed for use in the classroom,
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>>>>
>>>> Happy Holidays!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gwen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gwen Gerber
>>>>
>>>> BioMEDIA ASSOCIATES
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:37:36 -0500
>>>> From: "Jonathan Miller" <jmiller@icarusfilms.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Docuseek?
>>>> To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
>>>> Message-ID: <012701ca7d0e$0ab070f0$f864a8c0@www.frif.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Dear Vicki
>>>>
>>>> It's great to learn that you find DocuSeek useful! I am sorry for the
>>>> delay
>>>> then in responding to your inquiry.
>>>>
>>>> However, I am pleased to tell you that we have now (this past weekend
>>>> in
>>>> fact) re freshed the DocuSeek database with all the new titles we have
>>>> been
>>>> notificed about/ provided the meta data for from the participating
>>>> distributors.
>>>>
>>>> Please, take a look and see if it seems more up-to-date and useful for
>>>> you.
>>>> It should be!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan Miller
>>>>
>>>> For those who don't know, Docuseek is a search site for independent
>>>> documentary, social issue, and educational videos available in the
>>>> U.S.
>>>> and
>>>> Canada. Docuseek allows you to simultaneously search eight leading
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>>>> distributors' complete collections of over 3,200 titles, representing
>>>> the
>>>> highest quality documentary and instructional media, films and videos
>>>> available.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the URL: www.DocuSeek.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan Miller
>>>> President
>>>> Icarus Films
>>>> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor
>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11201 USA
>>>>
>>>> tel 1.718.488.8900
>>>> fax 1.718.488.8642
>>>> www.IcarusFilms.com
>>>> jmiller@IcarusFilms.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
>>>> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Vicki
>>>> Nesting
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:46 PM
>>>> To: videolib
>>>> Subject: [Videolib] Docuseek?
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone tell me the status of the Docuseek web site
>>>> (www.docuseek.com)?
>>>> Is it still being maintained? This was a great search tool for
>>>> finding
>>>> documentaries on social issues, but when I ran a couple searches
>>>> recently,
>>>> there were hardly any current (2008-09) releases included in the
>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Vicki
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Vicki Nesting
>>>> Assistant Director
>>>> St. Charles Parish Library
>>>> vnestin@bellsouth.net
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:51:39 -0800
>>>> From: John Streepy <John.Streepy@cwu.EDU>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray versus DVD
>>>> To: Video Library questions <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
>>>> Message-ID: <4B26510A.1F8F.0042.1@gwmail.cwu.edu>
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>>>> The sales figures make me wonder if many people have just come to the
>>>> time
>>>> that they could replace their DVD players and are just hedging their
>>>> bets
>>>> because it is a win win situation, the blu-ray player will continue to
>>>> play
>>>> DVDs (and if they do have a large screen flat panel they play them
>>>> quite
>>>> nicely) and if blu ray does survive as a format then people have a
>>>> machine
>>>> to play them on. I plan on getting a Blu-ray player when my current
>>>> machine
>>>> dies, but I don't plan on wholesale replacing everything in my
>>>> personal
>>>> library (though I did buy Pixar's Up on Blu Ray but only because I got
>>>> a
>>>> DVD
>>>> with it.)
>>>> that is my thoughts,
>>>> jhs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John H. Streepy
>>>> Media Services Supervisor
>>>> Library-Media Circulation
>>>> James E. Brooks Library
>>>> Central Washington University
>>>> 400 East University Way
>>>> Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548
>>>>
>>>> (509) 963-2861
>>>> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>>>>
>>>> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
>>>> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>>>>
>>>> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis Doros <milefilms@gmail.com> 12/14/2009 1:39 PM >>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> Well, it's obvious that no school media center really is into blu ray
>>>> and
>>>> not many public libraries are thrilled about it either. However,
>>>> completely
>>>> by coincidence, here's an article in the NY Times...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/14/technology/14bluray.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Blu%20ray&st=cse(
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/14/technology/14bluray.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Blu%20ray&st=cse)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It kind of makes you wonder if this is just a puff piece, if the
>>>> individual
>>>> consumer is going to ahead of the curve of the institutions, or if
>>>> it's
>>>> another laserdisc in the making. It's what can drive everybody crazy.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best,
>>>> Dennis Doros
>>>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
>>>> PO Box 128
>>>> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
>>>> Phone: 201-767-3117
>>>> Fax: 201-767-3035
>>>> email: milefilms@gmail.com
>>>> www.milestonefilms.com
>>>> www.arayafilm.com
>>>> www.exilesfilm.com
>>>> www.wordisoutmovie.com
>>>> www.killerofsheep.com
>>>> AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
>>>> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Best,
>>> Dennis Doros
>>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
>>> PO Box 128
>>> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
>>> Phone: 201-767-3117
>>> Fax: 201-767-3035
>>> email: milefilms@gmail.com
>>> www.milestonefilms.com
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>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
>> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>

Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
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