Re: [Videolib] Students paying for access

Date: Fri Nov 13 2009 - 10:50:58 PST

Kim's last sentence says it all. And the other variable is the college
administrations who embark on extensive off-campus offerings with no
thought to the extra costs and other issues that arise about
accessibility. If they want to offer equal access to distance students,
they need to be prepared with the IT infrastructure, staffing, and the
funds. To expect the library to provide a service that can be a
nightmare to administer with no expert staff and no additional funds is


Christine Crowley Godin

Dean of Learning Resources

Adjunct Faculty, Theatre

Northwest Vista College

3535 N. Ellison Dr.

San Antonio, TX 78251

210.486.4572 voice

210.486.4504 fax (new email as of Aug. 1, 2009)


[] On Behalf Of Stanton, Kim
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Students paying for access




In a few cases, my library has done this and it's worked. For example,
we have a faculty member who teaches a course that requires students to
watch 15 films, all of which can only be purchased in the education
market (and all of which our library owns a physical copy of). When the
course moved to a 100% online format, we had to license digital rights
to all of that content - $5,000 is probably a low estimate of what that
cost. The Anthropology library fund didn't have the money, students
needed to have online access and so in the end the licenses were paid
for from the enrolled students course fees (it was a big course, we're
talking under $15 per student each semester) - that's also how we're
paying for license renewals.


My university has a large Distance Ed enrollment base, so the pressure I
feel to provide online access to media may be a little harsher than
others. Basically, I'm fine with the idea of a student paying $3.99
directly out of pocket to access a film online (they're ultimately
paying for it regardless), but I think the library is also responsible
for owning a copy of that same film in a more permanent way (dvd, vhs,
digital - formats change) for long term research, classroom use,
maintaining the cultural record, etc.


I think we're all having a hard time living up to changing expectations
for access, maintaining our permanent physical collections and staying
within our (often times dwindling) budgets.



Kim Stanton

Digital Media Librarian

Media Library

University of North Texas

P: (940) 565-4832

F: (940) 369-7396





[] On Behalf Of Sarah E.
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Students paying for access


You all have totally missed my point. If a film is assigned for a
class, and the professor doesn't want to take class time to show it, why
not count it as a "required text" and offer the students online access
for a small fee? What is so wrong with that? It's WAY less than a
textbook costs. And students who don't have the $2.99 can come to the
library and watch it here. I am not suggesting anything like "charging
students for access the research collection of a their own library."


I'm talking about convenience of access for students to watch an
assigned film, and for that convenience they pay a small fee.


[] On Behalf Of Sandra Macke
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Students paying for access



I am really having a hard time with this statement. Would the phrase "I
love the idea of the student paying $2.99 for a semester of electronic
books or electronic journals" go over as well. Also would we as easily
tell the faculty or grad student to go down the local bookstore and just
buy the book they need for their research because the library deems it
too expensive to buy. How many books get more than 5 check outs and yet
we still purchase them?


I understand the material is expensive and library budgets can only go
so far, but the college/university library is there to support the
academic needs of their patrons. If this material is in demand we need
to make the case for more budget allocation or a discussion of what
could not be purchased instead.


Now if this video material is thought to be equivalent to textbooks for
a class, then a new dialogue needs to start with the professors and the
campus bookstore about how to make the material available to students at
a reasonable price.

But charging students for access the research collection of a their own


Sandra Macke

Catalog Librarian

Penrose Library, University of Denver

Google Talk:


Sarah E. McCleskey wrote:

I love the idea of the student paying $2.99 for a semester of streamed
access. It leaves our collection budgets for, well, collecting, and
provides a revenue stream for NewDay, Icarus, Bullfrog, Newsreel, etc.,
etc., etc. I think students would rather pay $2.99 than have to come
to the library to watch a movie. Every time I say this someone shoots
it down, but I really wish more distributors would go with a
pay-per-stream model, where we can pass that cost along to the student
and use our money for content (rather than access).
Sarah @ Hofstra
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[] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] A meditation on indie vdeo pricing in an age of
Dear video-ists
1) If amongst say the top 1000 higher=ed media buyers price per se was
the obstacle to buying important (say the top 25% of released titles?)
documentaries at prices between say $200 and $400,
And now, with reduced budgets there is less ability to continue buying
- overall.
Then, if distributors who formerly sold at $200-$400 were to cut prices
say $100
Why should we expect any more of those 1000 top buyers to buy 2 > 4 x as
many (at least) units? I don't get it. If I sold 200 units at $300 = $
60,000 / now I am going to release the same films for say $150 - will
400 colleges buy that same title? And even if they do, I am still behind
(higher costs, more work).
2) How many of you are using or getting your profs/students to use
such as
A) Amazon VOD
B) New Day VOD
Could we get say 30,000 students to pay $2 each for say our recent
on the mortgage crisis WE ALL FALL DOWN? (if we stream it ourselves and
all the money, less the 3% credit card fee!) or 70,000 students (!) if
it is
done thru a 3rd party service like Amazon?
3) Is Alexander Street's model a good substitute for you? Would you like
move in that direction?
Perhaps, Gary et al, you can give us some specific commentary on which
companies / policies that you see starting to emerge do you think might
work? What are some companies doing right (Strategically) as you see it?
What companies are moving in the wrong direction, and why.
Otherwise, apart from closing up shop, I am not sure what you are
we (distributors/ producers) do.
Is that too harsh?


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