Re: [Videolib] The Daily Bitch

From: Shoaf,Judith P <jshoaf@ufl.edu>
Date: Thu Oct 29 2009 - 12:35:04 PDT

But if the company has 3 prices, it has every right to (1) sell the home movie version on Amazon, and (2) tell you that, as an institution, you are obliged to buy the institutional version (with or without PPR), and you are not allowed to buy the home use version on Amazon or anywhere else.

Judy

-----Original Message-----
Yeah...they're probably the same in terms of price point. My main
complaint is the tendency to push the wrong-headed notion that
institutional pricing and performance rights are always synonymous. If a
distributor wants to charge more for institutional sales based on an
assessment of markets (i.e. what the market will bear), ok... Just don't
call it something else.

gary

> Gary : What exactly is the difference between 2 and 3 ?
>
> Also I think there is an issue that should be discussed in the future. As
> Gary pointed out VERY few institutions need what is being offered with
> PPR.It is one thing to offer PPR when the titles are really intended for
> academic use and NOT offered in the home market but another thing if you
> are
> expecting institutions to pay for something they could get for less on
> Amazon. The ONLY value would be is if for some reason they do an open show
> and even then limiting to 50 people seems to make that nearly useless to
> an
> academic institution. HOWEVER as things are changing fast I would say
> that
> if distributors would offer limited streaming rights with the PPR ( as
> in
> password protected to students enrolled in a particular class) that might
> make them worth the extra money to schools feeling pressure to allow
> students to watch stuff in their dorm etc. I would be interested in how
> both
> distributors and librarians feel about this.
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:14 PM, <ghandman@library.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>> A simple request to all involved:
>>
>> It's easy enough (and the honest thing to do) in a catalog to offer
>> three
>> prices:
>>
>> 1. Home video (does not include performance rights)
>> 2. Film with performance rights
>> 3. Institutional buyers (which includes performance rights)
>>
>> The above acknowledges pricing based on buyer type and avoids making it
>> sound as if institutions automatically require performance rights.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> > I'll chime in here from the 'seedy distributor' point of view:
>> >
>> > When I send out announcements regarding films available with PPR, I am
>> > well aware that some (not all)
>> > of our titles are available at consumer prices and that many public
>> > librarians (and Gary and Christine) will purchase the consumer
>> > version, hence my language
>> > regarding the PPR license. If you don't need PPR, my request is this:
>> > please, if possible, buy the consumer version direct from us
>> > at:www.alivemindmedia.com
>> > . When you
>> > do so, our filmmakers generally receive close to 50% of the SRP. When
>> > you purchase through Amazon or other online retail sites, however,
>> > they get 50% from the wholesale price, minus the sub distribution fee
>> > which accounts for another big chunk, almost 20%.
>> > We would like to work with you to build your collections based on
>> your
>> > needs while also representing and protecting our filmmakers best
>> > interests.
>> >
>> > Our definition of PPR:
>> >
>> > When you purchase any of our Alive Mind Education titles, whether you
>> > are a public library, college, university, corporation or non profit
>> > group, public performance rights are included. Public performance
>> > rights allow educational and non profit groups to exhibit our films to
>> > groups of 50 or fewer individuals where admission is not charged. The
>> > term of the public performance license is for the life of the DVD.
>> > However, if you intend to screen it to an admission paying audience of
>> > over 50 and to publicly advertise it, then we ask that you contact us
>> > regarding a public screening fee.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Elizabeth
>> >
>> > Elizabeth Sheldon
>> > Vice President
>> > Alive Mind Education
>> > 56 W. 45th St., Suite 805
>> > New York, NY 10036
>> > (212) 398-3112 tele
>> >
>> > www.alivemindeducation.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:21 PM, GODIN, CHRISTINE wrote:
>> >
>> >> We don't pay more for books. And yes, some journal subscriptions
>> >> have an
>> >> institutional price which frankly is discouraging to libraries with
>> >> limited budgets. Most of those come through the aggregators now which
>> >> provides online service, indexing, and remote access. Most of my $250
>> >> and up videos have a limited audience.
>> >> If I had to pay an institutional price for all media, I would have
>> far
>> >> far fewer titles on the shelves. I don't think that is good for
>> >> anyone.
>> >>
>> >> Christine Crowley Godin
>> >> Dean of Learning Resources
>> >> Adjunct Faculty, Theatre
>> >> Northwest Vista College
>> >> 3535 N. Ellison Dr.
>> >> San Antonio, TX 78251
>> >> 210.486.4572 voice
>> >> 210.486.4504 fax
>> >> cgodin@alamo.edu (new email as of Aug. 1, 2009)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
>> >> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jo Ann
>> >> Reynolds
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:12 PM
>> >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] The Daily Bitch
>> >>
>> >> I guess I wonder why libraries wouldn't pay more, the way we do with
>> >> books and journal subscriptions. Our corporate mission, after all,
>> >> is to
>> >> facilitate access to lots of users, not just one as with the home
>> >> market. Vendors know we'll be lending to multiple users although I
>> >> doubt, for some of the material we purchase we are taking sales away
>> >> from them.
>> >>
>> >> Jo Ann
>> >>
>> >> Jo Ann Reynolds
>> >> Reserve Services Coordinator
>> >> University of Connecticut
>> >> Homer Babbidge Library
>> >> Storrs, CT
>> >> 860-486-1406
>> >> jo_ann.reynolds@uconn.edu
>> >>
>> >> Question Reality
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
>> >> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of GODIN,
>> >> CHRISTINE
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:06 PM
>> >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] The Daily Bitch
>> >>
>> >> Amen! We buy a lot of titles through distributors who don't sell to
>> >> the
>> >> home video market and those titles are possibly going to need PPR for
>> >> us. For the most part, though, if I can get it at the home video
>> price
>> >> for basic classroom use, I will. And do.
>> >>
>> >> Christine Crowley Godin
>> >> Dean of Learning Resources
>> >> Adjunct Faculty, Theatre
>> >> Northwest Vista College
>> >> 3535 N. Ellison Dr.
>> >> San Antonio, TX 78251
>> >> 210.486.4572 voice
>> >> 210.486.4504 fax
>> >> cgodin@alamo.edu (new email as of Aug. 1, 2009)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
>> >> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
>> >> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:49 AM
>> >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> >> Subject: [Videolib] The Daily Bitch
>> >>
>> >> Hi all (and particularly you distributors out there)
>> >>
>> >> I need to vent about an increasingly common practice which really
>> >> frosts
>> >> me:
>> >> I continue to encounter cases in which a distributor will sell a
>> >> work on
>> >> amazon at home video prices and at the same time will sell the same
>> >> work
>> >> at institutional prices via the distributor's web site. In such
>> >> cases--because I don't require performance rights--I'll ALWAYS buy
>> the
>> >> amazon copy. However, I've recently encountered cases where the
>> >> vendor
>> >> has gotten back to us and has refused to sell at the home video
>> price.
>> >> This is dishonest and sucky, to say the least. If the game plan is
>> to
>> >> strictly bifurcate the market (institutional/home), distributors
>> >> should
>> >> NOT be putting their stuff out in the home video market via home
>> video
>> >> venues like amazon. The practice is confusing, a bit seedy, and
>> >> time-wasting.
>> >>
>> >> OK...there...
>> >>
>> >> Gary Handman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gary Handman
>> >> Director
>> >> Media Resources Center
>> >> Moffitt Library
>> >> UC Berkeley
>> >>
>> >> 510-643-8566
>> >> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
>> >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>> >>
>> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> >> --Francois Truffaut
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> >> acquisition,bibliographic
>> >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats
>> >> in
>> >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
>> >> serve
>> >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
>> >> channel
>> >> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and
>> video
>> >> producers and distributors.
>> >>
>> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> >> acquisition,bibliographic
>> >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats
>> >> in
>> >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
>> >> serve
>> >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
>> >> channel
>> >> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and
>> video
>> >> producers and distributors.
>> >>
>> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> >> acquisition,bibliographic
>> >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats
>> >> in
>> >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
>> >> serve
>> >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
>> >> channel
>> >> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and
>> video
>> >> producers and distributors.
>> >>
>> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> >> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
>> >> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
>> >> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
>> >> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
>> >> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> >> distributors.
>> >>
>> >
>> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> acquisition,bibliographic
>> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats
>> in
>> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
>> serve
>> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
>> channel
>> of
>> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> > producers and distributors.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues
>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control,
>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
>> and
>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
>> effective
>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> distributors.
>>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>

Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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