Re: [Videolib] The Daily Bitch

From: Elizabeth Sheldon <elizabeth@lorberhtdigital.com>
Date: Thu Oct 29 2009 - 12:28:31 PDT

Yes!!!

Best,

Elizabeth

www.alivemindeducation.com

On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Susan Albrecht wrote:

> Thanks, Elizabeth, that helps me understand your thinking on
> this. I'm thinking that, for me here at this small college, we are
> likely only ever to need PPR, as we never charge attendance, don't
> advertise off-campus and typically have audiences in the couple-dozen
> range. OTOH, with my League of Women Voters hat on ;), if we show a
> film in the local community theater and want to advertise to the
> public, hoping for a good 100 or so attendees, by your way of
> thinking we'd pay an Exhibition Fee. Have I got that right?
>
> Susan
>
>
> At 03:01 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote:
>> Susan,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply. For me, the distinction between a PPR license
>> and an exhibition fee is, in descending order:
>>
>> 1. whether or not admission is charged
>> 2. if it is publicly advertised
>> 3. the number of expected attendees
>>
>> For instance, if my local library has purchased a home video version
>> of, let's say, FIERCE LIGHT, but would like to show it in the
>> auditorium to the public, no admission charged and advertised in the
>> local newspaper, by our working definition, their use requires an
>> exhibition fee (not PPR). If, on the other hand, the local Unitarian
>> Church would like to screen FIERCE LIGHT, asks for donations at the
>> door, and only promotes to their member, this requires a PPR license.
>>
>> For me, and perhaps for Gary, the distinction between his 2 and 3 is
>> the difference between PPR and semi-theatrical. So the number of
>> attendees is not the defining criteria, just one criterion.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> Elizabeth Sheldon
>> Vice President
>> Alive Mind Eduction
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Susan Albrecht wrote:
>>
>>> I love knowing what Alive Mind's Elizabeth said -- that if we buy
>>> the
>>> home use version from them, their producers receive a bigger chunk
>>> of
>>> the price than if we buy the home use version from Amazon or
>>> elsewhere. It's nice to know Alive Mind is *open* to home use sales
>>> by institutions.
>>>
>>> OTOH, the truth is that I don't know how many distributors do look
>>> at
>>> it the way Elizabeth does. I've received a couple of phone calls in
>>> the past from distributors who saw that I'd placed an order for a
>>> home use DVD from their website and had noticed that I either had an
>>> .edu extention on my email address and had a college shipping
>>> address
>>> provided. At least one of these individuals was *very* persistent
>>> in
>>> arguing with me that I was being... well, I can't recall the exact
>>> term, but it was unfair or unethical or unsupportive or some other
>>> "un" term which implied I wasn't being a good girl.
>>>
>>> The truth is, I do NOT skirt the law if I know we need PPR for a
>>> title. But *if* a title has been released for sale in home use by
>>> vendors like Amazon, Midwest Tape or DVD Planet, why would I *not*
>>> buy from them if I don't need PPR? Especially if I suspect that by
>>> trying to buy home use from the distributor who sells it at the
>>> higher "institutional"/PPR price, I'm going to be given grief?
>>>
>>> Now a question for Gary. In the delineation below, did you mean for
>>> #3 to be "Institutional buyers (does not include performance
>>> rights)"? Otherwise, I'm reading #2 and #3 as pretty much the same
>>> thing. I could see three categories of: 1) home use (no PPR); 2)
>>> institutional use (no PPR); and 3) institutional use with PPR. As
>>> you say, this would acknowledge the potentially larger usage and
>>> audience that goes with library ownership, without forcing us to pay
>>> for rights we might not need.
>>>
>>> Elizabeth, I would ask you one question as well, re: your definition
>>> of PPR. You've given an under 50/no admission vs. over 50/admission
>>> fee distinction. What if the showing is to be more than 50 but no
>>> admission will be charged?
>>>
>>> Susan at Wabash College
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>> A simple request to all involved:
>>>>
>>>> It's easy enough (and the honest thing to do) in a catalog to offer
>>>> three
>>>> prices:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Home video (does not include performance rights)
>>>> 2. Film with performance rights
>>>> 3. Institutional buyers (which includes performance rights)
>>>>
>>>> The above acknowledges pricing based on buyer type and avoids
>>>> making it
>>>> sound as if institutions automatically require performance rights.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>
>>> Elizabeth from Alive Mind:
>>>
>>>>> I'll chime in here from the 'seedy distributor' point of view:
>>>>>
>>>>> When I send out announcements regarding films available with PPR,
>>>>> I am
>>>>> well aware that some (not all)
>>>>> of our titles are available at consumer prices and that many
>>>>> public
>>>>> librarians (and Gary and Christine) will purchase the consumer
>>>>> version, hence my language
>>>>> regarding the PPR license. If you don't need PPR, my request is
>>>>> this:
>>>>> please, if possible, buy the consumer version direct from us
>>>>> at:www.alivemindmedia.com
>>>>> . When you
>>>>> do so, our filmmakers generally receive close to 50% of the SRP.
>>>>> When
>>>>> you purchase through Amazon or other online retail sites, however,
>>>>> they get 50% from the wholesale price, minus the sub distribution
>>>>> fee
>>>>> which accounts for another big chunk, almost 20%.
>>>>> We would like to work with you to build your collections based on
>>>>> your
>>>>> needs while also representing and protecting our filmmakers best
>>>>> interests.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our definition of PPR:
>>>>>
>>>>> When you purchase any of our Alive Mind Education titles, whether
>>>>> you
>>>>> are a public library, college, university, corporation or non
>>>>> profit
>>>>> group, public performance rights are included. Public performance
>>>>> rights allow educational and non profit groups to exhibit our
>>>>> films to
>>>>> groups of 50 or fewer individuals where admission is not charged.
>>>>> The
>>>>> term of the public performance license is for the life of the DVD.
>>>>> However, if you intend to screen it to an admission paying
>>>>> audience of
>>>>> over 50 and to publicly advertise it, then we ask that you contact
>>>>> us
>>>>> regarding a public screening fee.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Susan Albrecht
>>> Acquisitions Manager
>>> Wabash College Lilly Library
>>> Crawfordsville, IN
>>> x6216
>>> albrechs@wabash.edu
>>>
>>>
>> *********************************************************************************
>>> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."--Neil
>>> Peart
>>>
>> *********************************************************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
>>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
>>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
>>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>>> distributors.
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> distributors.
>
> Susan Albrecht
> Acquisitions Manager
> Wabash College Lilly Library
> Crawfordsville, IN
> x6216
> albrechs@wabash.edu
>
> *********************************************************************************
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."--Neil
> Peart
> *********************************************************************************
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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