Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 23, Issue 52

From: <ghandman@library.berkeley.edu>
Date: Fri Oct 23 2009 - 08:15:46 PDT

We've all gone over to Sound Bite City and Short-Attention-Spanville, I'm
afraid.

Civilized, meaningful, intelligent discourse; rhetorical clarity; the
imparting of wisdom and knowledge; instructions on how to make a decent
omelette, even... 25 words or less? I don't think so...

Gary

> Lots of memorable and poignant things were said in 25 words or less.
>
> So shines a good deed in a weary world.
>
> I made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
>
> Don't let's ask for the moon. We have the stars.
>
>
> Daisy
>
> Sent via phone
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> 1. Re: Twitter question (ghandman@library.berkeley.edu)
> 2. Re: Twitter question (Jonathan Miller)
> 3. Re: Twitter question (Shoaf,Judith P)
> 4. Best place to buy a VHS machine (Fesenmaier, Steve L)
> 5. Re: Twitter question (Kenneth Bellafiore)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:53:26 -0700
> From: ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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> I've worked on a college campus for 33 years. I know all about Twitter:
> it's why the word sophomoric and sophomore are related.
>
> gary
>
> So I'm thinking you don't have teen-age great-nieces. You'd be astonished
> how many awesome times one can say awesome in a tweet! :-)
>
> MM, awesome fan of the awesome Phillies (and way off topic)
>
> Margery L. May
> Acquisitions Administrator
> Wesleyan University Library
> Acquisitions Department
> Olin Memorial Library
> 252 Church Street
> Middletown, CT 06459
> 860-685-3834
> mmay@wesleyan.edu
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Tribby
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
>
> it seems to me that anything worth saying is worth saying in more than 25
> words or less
>
> True, but one great thing about Twitter is that the austere word limit
> limits the tweeter's opportunities to use the word "awesome" and its many
> awesome offshoots.
>
>
>
>
> Mike Tribby
> Senior Cataloger
> Quality Books Inc.
> The Best of America's Independent Presses
>
> mailto:mike.tribby@quality-books.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:16 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
>
> I still don't quite "get" Twitter... Maybe I'm hopelessly Old School, but
> it seems to me that anything worth saying is worth saying in more than 25
> words or less.
>
> Gary Handman
>
>
>
> Good morning.
>
> I am wondering if any Videolib people are on Twitter, or is it a black
> hole or echo chamber?
>
> Just curious!
>
> JM
>
> Jonathan Miller
> President
> Icarus Films
> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor
> Brooklyn, NY 11201 USA
>
> tel 1.718.488.8900
> fax 1.718.488.8642
> www.IcarusFilms.com
> jmiller@IcarusFilms.com
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
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> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
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> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:58:08 -0400
> From: "Jonathan Miller" <jmiller@icarusfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
> To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
> Message-ID: <010d01ca5330$73ae0340$f864a8c0@www.frif.com>
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>
> I think I am going to re-tweet that, Gary.
> JM
>
>
>
> Jonathan Miller
> President
> Icarus Films
> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor
> Brooklyn, NY 11201 USA
>
> tel 1.718.488.8900
> fax 1.718.488.8642
> www.IcarusFilms.com
> jmiller@IcarusFilms.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
>
> I've worked on a college campus for 33 years. I know all about Twitter:
> it's why the word sophomoric and sophomore are related.
>
> gary
>
> So I'm thinking you don't have teen-age great-nieces. You'd be
> astonished how many awesome times one can say awesome in a tweet! :-)
>
> MM, awesome fan of the awesome Phillies (and way off topic)
>
> Margery L. May
> Acquisitions Administrator
> Wesleyan University Library
> Acquisitions Department
> Olin Memorial Library
> 252 Church Street
> Middletown, CT 06459
> 860-685-3834
> mmay@wesleyan.edu
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Tribby
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
>
> it seems to me that anything worth saying is worth saying in more than
> 25 words or less
>
> True, but one great thing about Twitter is that the austere word limit
> limits the tweeter's opportunities to use the word "awesome" and its
> many awesome offshoots.
>
>
>
>
> Mike Tribby
> Senior Cataloger
> Quality Books Inc.
> The Best of America's Independent Presses
>
> mailto:mike.tribby@quality-books.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:16 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
>
> I still don't quite "get" Twitter... Maybe I'm hopelessly Old School,
> but it seems to me that anything worth saying is worth saying in more
> than 25 words or less.
>
> Gary Handman
>
>
>
> Good morning.
>
> I am wondering if any Videolib people are on Twitter, or is it a
> black hole or echo chamber?
>
> Just curious!
>
> JM
>
> Jonathan Miller
> President
> Icarus Films
> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor
> Brooklyn, NY 11201 USA
>
> tel 1.718.488.8900
> fax 1.718.488.8642
> www.IcarusFilms.com
> jmiller@IcarusFilms.com
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date:
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>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
> and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:12:00 -0400
> From: "Shoaf,Judith P" <jshoaf@UFL.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <AC6F23A2BA13C347A59BDCBCFF41E27B5F5487C557@UFEXCH-MBXCL03.ad.ufl.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> At one point I thought it might be useful for students who need to use
> reserve materials the day before they're due. We could send out a tweet as
> soon as the item was free. But we haven't had the kind of rushes that
> would make it really useful.
>
> Judy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:16 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
>
> I still don't quite "get" Twitter... Maybe I'm hopelessly Old School, but
> it seems to me that anything worth saying is worth saying in more than 25
> words or less.
>
> Gary Handman
>
>
>
> Good morning.
>
> I am wondering if any Videolib people are on Twitter, or is it a black
> hole
> or echo chamber?
>
> Just curious!
>
> JM
>
> Jonathan Miller
> President
> Icarus Films
> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor
> Brooklyn, NY 11201 USA
>
> tel 1.718.488.8900
> fax 1.718.488.8642
> www.IcarusFilms.com
> jmiller@IcarusFilms.com
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:13:40 -0400
> From: "Fesenmaier, Steve L" <Steve.L.Fesenmaier@wv.gov>
> Subject: [Videolib] Best place to buy a VHS machine
> To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <5D94599DAE4C0346872DA9480DD2814806BA99C6@WVOTMAIL02.executive.stateofwv.gov>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I donated a collection of Jewish films on VHS to a local synagogue.
> Everyone comes in saying they don't have a VHS player. Where can they
> buy a good, loanable VHS player.- Steve
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:34:31 -0400
> From: Kenneth Bellafiore <Kenneth.Bellafiore@ncc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Cc: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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>
> Some times it's the things we don't understand that work the best.
>
> Here at Nassau CC we are currently experimenting with using a tweet to
> give students updates regarding our computer network. Network working
> today or Go somewhere else to print today,
> but it will only work if they sign up to be our friends......that remains
> to be seen
>
> Here we go again,
>
> Ken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Miller <jmiller@icarusfilms.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>
> I think I am going to re-tweet that, Gary.
> JM
>
>
>
> Jonathan Miller
> President
> Icarus Films
> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor
> Brooklyn, NY 11201 USA
>
> tel 1.718.488.8900
> fax 1.718.488.8642
> www.IcarusFilms.com
> jmiller@IcarusFilms.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
>
> I've worked on a college campus for 33 years. I know all
> about Twitter:
> it's why the word sophomoric and sophomore are related.
>
> gary
>
> So I'm thinking you don't have teen-age great-nieces.
> You'd be
> astonished how many awesome times one can say awesome in a
> tweet! :-)
>
> MM, awesome fan of the awesome Phillies (and way off topic)
>
> Margery L. May
> Acquisitions Administrator
> Wesleyan University Library
> Acquisitions Department
> Olin Memorial Library
> 252 Church Street
> Middletown, CT 06459
> 860-685-3834
> mmay@wesleyan.edu
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Mike
> Tribby> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
>
> it seems to me that anything worth saying is worth saying in
> more than
> 25 words or less
>
> True, but one great thing about Twitter is that the austere
> word limit
> limits the tweeter's opportunities to use the word "awesome"
> and its
> many awesome offshoots.
>
>
>
>
> Mike Tribby
> Senior Cataloger
> Quality Books Inc.
> The Best of America's Independent Presses
>
> mailto:mike.tribby@quality-books.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:16 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Twitter question
>
> I still don't quite "get" Twitter... Maybe I'm hopelessly Old
> School,
> but it seems to me that anything worth saying is worth saying
> in more
> than 25 words or less.
>
> Gary Handman
>
>
>
> Good morning.
>
> I am wondering if any Videolib people are on Twitter, or is
> it a
> black hole or echo chamber?
>
> Just curious!
>
> JM
>
> Jonathan Miller
> President
> Icarus Films
> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor
> Brooklyn, NY 11201 USA
>
> tel 1.718.488.8900
> fax 1.718.488.8642
> www.IcarusFilms.com
> jmiller@IcarusFilms.com
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
> discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of
> current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related
> institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working
> tool for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
> discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of
> current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related
> institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool
> for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release
> Date:
> 10/22/09 08:51:00
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
> discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of
> current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related
> institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool
> for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
> discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of
> current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related
> institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool
> for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
> discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control,preservation, and use of current and evolving video
> formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
> effectiveworking tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
> of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
> discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of
> current and evolving video formats in libraries and related
> institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
> effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
> channel of communication between libraries,educational
> institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>

Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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