Re: [Videolib] Paramount and 20th Century Fox releasing rental and retail versions of DVDs

From: Causey, Tom <CauseyT@HillsboroughCounty.ORG>
Date: Wed Oct 14 2009 - 09:20:10 PDT

Thanks for all the great feedback. It looks like most are choosing to
buy the retail version. That is what I will recommend as well.

My understanding is that the rental versions will have "limited availability". That is a problem for us. We like to buy few copies of a title at first, get them into the catalog two months or so before release date and then see how the holds list builds up. Then we buy more copies to fill our holds ratio, which is ten to one. But if we find that a month before release date we have 200 or 300 holds, which is not uncommon for big sellers, we might have to buy our next batch in the
other version because the rental is no longer available. That means another bib record which will start a new holds list, and it doesn't help fill the holds list from our original purchase.

You would really have to guess correctly the first time as to how many
copies you would need or routinely over-buy, which is not a good option with our significantly reduced budget.

Tom Causey
Senior Librarian
Tampa Hillsborough County Public Library
900 N. Ashley Dr.
Tampa, FL 33602
(813) 276-2754
(813) 273-3708 (fax)
causeyt@hillsboroughcounty.org

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   1. Re: Dragnet public domain? (lindatadic@optonline.net)
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      retail versions of DVDs (Jaeschke, Myles)
   3. Re: Paramount and 20th Century Fox releasing rental and
      retail versions of DVDs (Danielle Phillips)

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:47:18 -0500
From: "Jaeschke, Myles" <mjaesch@tulsalibrary.org>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Paramount and 20th Century Fox releasing
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Glad to see this brought up again. As the selector of DVDs for our system I will be purchasing retail editions of these films. If it means a slightly longer wait to receive then so be it. There are several reasons for this.

 1. The retail version will have the bonus materials (Danielle if B&T is stating otherwise on TS3 they are incorrect). It's probably true that the majority of our customers do not look for this material, however I believe that it is our responsibility to offer the best product available (and that will not be the rental version).
 2. Cataloging. I try as much as possible to keep the bib records of what amount to basically the same film to a minimum. Sometimes that is just plain unavoidable. I think we have no fewer than 4 bib records of Forrest Gump for example. But do you really want two different bib records of the same film on your catalog immediately? Heck, our customers get confused when they see two records now--one for the Blu-Ray and one for the standard DVD. Imagine the confusion when there are 3 records to choose from (rental, retail, Blu-Ray). Which one do we put on hold now? The less confusion the better.
 3. Future purchases. How long to you think that rental edition is going to be available for purchase? 3 months perhaps 6? I assure you it will not be long. Why bother purchasing and cataloging a rental copy that's going to be an "out of print" item in less than 6 months (see reason #2).
 4. Price. I'm willing to wait a short amount of time if need be to purchase at the sell through price. We already did this with VHS. It's just not worth the cost. Most public library users are happy to wait a little while for their product if they need to. These actions by Paramount and Fox will unfortunately just make them wait a bit longer. I do understand companies like Paramount who are toying with the idea of getting more front end money on their product. I do think though it is a step backwards. Why take us back to a pricing structure to the days of VHS? The success of Redbox is in part to blame here-and perhaps the ease of making copies--yeah-I'll say it-lots of people go to Redbox or even us, your local public library, for their "ripping" source. I don't like it but it's the truth.

I spoke to my rep at Midwest Tapes earlier. It is my understanding that Fox and Paramount will not provide them with retail editions to sell at this time. To satisfy the demand of their customers that want the retail editions they will be finding a 3rd party source to meet the demand. This is why Midwest Tapes cannot supply a retail edition at the same time as the rental edition even if they have the exact same street date. MT may actually have to wait themselves to purchase that retail copy from another source on street date and then provide it to us. In fact they actually do this for some of the music CDs that they provide that are sold exclusively through Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Starbucks, etc.

Ah yes, some more things for you to think about before selecting those rental editions (and adding those "gift" DVDs when they come in).

Best regards,

Myles Jaeschke

Tulsa City-County Library System
Media Collections
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From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Causey, Tom
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:55 PM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Subject: [Videolib] Paramount and 20th Century Fox releasing rental and retail versions of DVDs

Paramount and 20th Century Fox are starting to release new DVDs in two versions, rental
and retail. The rental version will release on street date with no extras and special features.
The retail version release with the special features will be delayed it looks like anywhere
from 3 to 8 weeks after the street date. In the case of Paramount, the price for the rental
version seems to be about $10 more per dvd.
We don't like either choice. We either have to buy a version with no extras and possibly higher cost, or make our customers wait a significantly longer period of time.
We are wondering what other libraries, particularly public libraries, are going to do.
Until we get direction from management level, we are going to buy retail and see what happens.

Tom Causey
Senior Librarian
Tampa Hillsborough County Public Library
900 N. Ashley Dr.
Tampa, FL 33602
(813) 276-2754
(813) 273-3708 (fax)
causeyt@hillsboroughcounty.org

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:22:23 -0700
From: Danielle Phillips <danilphillips@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Paramount and 20th Century Fox releasing
        rental and retail versions of DVDs
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Thank you for the excellent information everyone! I am still waiting to
speak to my rep. I double-checked and TS3 does indicate that the 'rental
ready' version is more expensive! I'm wondering if it's because they are
forcing libraries to purchase the 'rental readys?' Myles, do you really
think the rental versions will be the ones to go out of print? Did your rep
give you that information? That would certainly factor into our purchasing
decision.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Jaeschke, Myles
<mjaesch@tulsalibrary.org>wrote:

> Glad to see this brought up again. As the selector of DVDs for our
> system I will be purchasing retail editions of these films. If it means a
> slightly longer wait to receive then so be it. There are several reasons
> for this.
>
>
>
> 1. The retail version will have the bonus materials (Danielle if B&T is
> stating otherwise on TS3 they are incorrect). It?s probably true that the
> majority of our customers do not look for this material, however I believe
> that it is our responsibility to offer the best product available (and that
> will not be the rental version).
> 2. Cataloging. I try as much as possible to keep the bib records of
> what amount to basically the same film to a minimum. Sometimes that is just
> plain unavoidable. I think we have no fewer than 4 bib records of Forrest
> Gump for example. But do you really want two different bib records of the
> same film on your catalog immediately? Heck, our customers get confused
> when they see two records now--one for the Blu-Ray and one for the standard
> DVD. Imagine the confusion when there are 3 records to choose from (rental,
> retail, Blu-Ray). Which one do we put on hold now? The less confusion the
> better.
> 3. Future purchases. How long to you think that rental edition is
> going to be available for purchase? 3 months perhaps 6? I assure you it
> will not be long. Why bother purchasing and cataloging a rental copy that?s
> going to be an ?out of print? item in less than 6 months (see reason #2).
> 4. Price. I?m willing to wait a short amount of time if need be to
> purchase at the sell through price. We already did this with VHS. It?s
> just not worth the cost. Most public library users are happy to wait a
> little while for their product if they need to. These actions by Paramount
> and Fox will unfortunately just make them wait a bit longer. I do
> understand companies like Paramount who are toying with the idea of getting
> more front end money on their product. I do think though it is a step
> backwards. Why take us back to a pricing structure to the days of VHS? The
> success of Redbox is in part to blame here?and perhaps the ease of making
> copies--yeah-I?ll say it?lots of people go to Redbox or even us, your local
> public library, for their ?ripping? source. I don?t like it but it?s the
> truth.
>
>
>
> I spoke to my rep at Midwest Tapes earlier. It is my understanding that
> Fox and Paramount will not provide them with retail editions to sell at this
> time. To satisfy the demand of their customers that want the retail
> editions they will be finding a 3rd party source to meet the demand. This
> is why Midwest Tapes cannot supply a retail edition at the same time as the
> rental edition even if they have the exact same street date. MT may
> actually have to wait themselves to purchase that retail copy from another
> source on street date and then provide it to us. In fact they actually do
> this for some of the music CDs that they provide that are sold exclusively
> through Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Starbucks, etc.
>
>
>
> Ah yes, some more things for you to think about before selecting those
> rental editions (and adding those ?gift? DVDs when they come in).
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Myles Jaeschke
>
>
>
> Tulsa City-County Library System
>
> Media Collections
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Causey, Tom
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:55 PM
> *To:* 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
> *Subject:* [Videolib] Paramount and 20th Century Fox releasing rental and
> retail versions of DVDs
>
>
>
> Paramount and 20th Century Fox are starting to release new DVDs in two
> versions, rental
>
> and retail. The rental version will release on street date with no extras
> and special features.
>
> The retail version release with the special features will be delayed it
> looks like anywhere
>
> from 3 to 8 weeks after the street date. In the case of Paramount, the
> price for the rental
>
> version seems to be about $10 more per dvd.
>
> We don't like either choice. We either have to buy a version with no
> extras and possibly higher cost, or make our customers wait a significantly
> longer period of time.
>
> We are wondering what other libraries, particularly public libraries, are
> going to do.
>
> Until we get direction from management level, we are going to buy retail
> and see what happens.
>
>
>
> *Tom Causey*
>
> Senior Librarian
>
> Tampa Hillsborough County Public Library
>
> 900 N. Ashley Dr.
>
> Tampa, FL 33602
>
> (813) 276-2754
>
> (813) 273-3708 (fax)
>
> causeyt@hillsboroughcounty.org
>
>
>
> __________________
>
> THINK AT THE SINK!
>
> During this ongoing drought, every drop of water counts.
>
> Learn how you can cut water use at http://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/water/conserve
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>

--
Danielle Phillips
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