[Videolib] Newsreel news

From: Sarah McCleskey <Sarah.E.McCleskey@hofstra.edu>
Date: Wed Jul 29 2009 - 11:44:26 PDT

I'm very glad Newsreel is going to experiment with this. It certainly wouldn't keep me from making an institutional purchase of a title from Newsreel. To me, this is a win-win solution. We in the library have made an institutional decision that we cannot pay for streaming rights to individual titles that are only available to a limited number of students enrolled in one course for one semester. It's just not what we do. We license stuff that is generally accessible to our entire constituency. And we will continue to purchase individual titles for the collection whether or not streaming rights are available.

I'm all for streaming video, and using video especially in the CMS environment, because it makes everyone's life easier (especially in the many non-"film" classes that need to use video). I'm also all for passing that cost along to the students; it's a cost of education, and *super cheap* at $2.99 compared to what they pay for textbooks, tuition, blah blah blah.

Sarah @ Hofstra

>>> "Lawrence Daressa" <LD@newsreel.org> 07/29/09 1:56 PM >>>
Re: classroom use of "home and community viewing" DVDs

With regard to the availability of titles on Amazon, California Newsreel
will experiment with offering ten titles for digital rental and/or sale
starting September 1 on Amazon. Some instructors with depleted
acquisition budgets have requested that we make our films directly
available to students for a $2.99 rental. We are eager to see how
useful this option proves and whether it has a long-term impact on
institutional DVD sales and streaming licenses. It is possible that for
some titles individual student rental could eventually generate more
revenue for producers than institutional sales. Since both options are
available, Newsreel is leaving it up to the instructor to determine the
ethical implications of passing on these costs.

With regard to the licensing of home use DVDs, Newsreel endeavours to
make as transparent as possible any contractual restrictions and DRM
which may apply to any DVD at our point-of-sale. Unfortunately, we can't
insure that such notices appear at points-of-sale outside our control
but we can require these sellers to refund the cost of any DVD sold to a
university or individual without making the terms and conditions of use
explicit nor would those terms and conditions be in any way binding.

Larry Daressa.

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Today's Topics:

   1. postcards - a plea for sanity (Vicki Nesting)
   2. Re: postcards - a plea for sanity (Jesse Epstein)
   3. Re: what to do about extra digital discs? (John Streepy)
   4. Re: classroom use of "home and community viewing" dvd
      (Dennis Doros)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vicki Nesting <vnestin@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Videolib] postcards - a plea for sanity
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I have been cleaning my catalog shelves this week and want to make a
plea to our video distributor friends on this list: don't rely on
postcards or other loose paper mailings as a substitute for catalogs.

I get many, many, many postcard announcements from video distributors
about their latest offerings. I throw all the mail I receive about
video products on a shelf. I do the same with the audio
catalogs/mailings I receive. The catalogs are relatively easy to file
(although everyone needs to put dates on the front so I can figure out
which is the most current) but the postcards and loose paper?
Impossible. On the other hand, I love the mailings I get from New Video
because they are 8-1/2" x 11" and are hole-punched to go into a binder.
They have dates on them so I can figure out what's current.

When I go to order, I don't have the patience to dig through the piles
of postcards and loose paper to see what your latest offerings are. So
if they haven't been reviewed in Video Librarian, didn't appear on a
"best" list, and all you sent me was a postcard or other loose paper
mailing, chances are that I'm going to miss it.

What is most useful to me when I'm ordering?
* A positive review in Video Librarian
* Appearance on a year-end "best" list (Notable Videos, Video
Librarian, Booklist)
* Something I had a chance to preview at National Media Market
* Catalog or 8-1/2" x 11" hole punched cut sheets for new titles (and a
binder to put them in!)

And by the way, email is useful to let me know about sales or to send me
pricing, but it's not the place I look when I sit down to do my
ordering.

Speaking for myself alone,
Vicki

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Vicki Nesting
Assistant Director
St. Charles Parish Library
Luling, Louisiana
vnestin@bellsouth.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:43:12 -0400
From: Jesse Epstein <epstein.jesse@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] postcards - a plea for sanity
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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As a filmmaker with New Day Films - getting ready to navigate
distribution for the fall -- I want to thank you for this info!!!!
Jesse

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Vicki Nesting
<vnestin@bellsouth.net>wrote:

>
> I have been cleaning my catalog shelves this week and want to make a
> plea to our video distributor friends on this list: don't rely on
> postcards or other loose paper mailings as a substitute for catalogs.
>
> I get many, many, many postcard announcements from video distributors
> about their latest offerings. I throw all the mail I receive about
> video products on a shelf. I do the same with the audio
> catalogs/mailings I receive. The catalogs are relatively easy to file

> (although everyone needs to put dates on the front so I can figure out

> which is the most current) but the postcards and loose paper?
> Impossible. On the other hand, I love the mailings I get from New
> Video because they are 8-1/2" x 11" and are hole-punched to go into a
> binder. They have dates on them so I can figure out what's current.
>
> When I go to order, I don't have the patience to dig through the piles

> of postcards and loose paper to see what your latest offerings are.
> So if they haven't been reviewed in Video Librarian, didn't appear on
> a "best" list, and all you sent me was a postcard or other loose paper

> mailing, chances are that I'm going to miss it.
>
> What is most useful to me when I'm ordering?
> * A positive review in Video Librarian
> * Appearance on a year-end "best" list (Notable Videos, Video
> Librarian,
> Booklist)
> * Something I had a chance to preview at National Media Market
> * Catalog or 8-1/2" x 11" hole punched cut sheets for new titles (and

> a binder to put them in!)
>
> And by the way, email is useful to let me know about sales or to send
> me pricing, but it's not the place I look when I sit down to do my
ordering.
>
> Speaking for myself alone,
> Vicki
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Vicki Nesting
> Assistant Director
> St. Charles Parish Library
> Luling, Louisiana
> vnestin@bellsouth.net
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
distributors.
>

--
Jesse Epstein
Educational Films on Body Image
http://www.JesseDocs.com
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:38:58 -0700
From: John Streepy <John.Streepy@cwu.EDU>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] what to do about extra digital discs?
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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Hi all,
would it be illegal to load the digital copy onto a computer at the
library for use in house, and still check out the physical copy.  This
is a way of at least getting something of value out of what you perceive
as an additional cost.  Just curious. 
jhs 
John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548
(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
Transitus profusum est nocens!
>>> Danielle Phillips <danilphillips@gmail.com> 7/29/2009 8:41 AM >>>
We use Baker and Taylor. This is mostly an issue with Blu-rays, but
occasionally a DVD comes like this. I think you're right Winona. We
can't very well prove that we're paying extra for this, even though I'm
pretty sure we are. I think we'll probably go with just discarding it.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Winona Patterson 
<wpatters@harpercollege.edu> 
wrote:
We haven?t discussed anything with our vendors specifically regarding
being charged (or ?not charged?) for the digital copy of the movie. Like
you said, it feels like we?re being charged for it, but is there really
a way to prove it? And if we raise a fuss, I?m afraid something might
happen along the lines of what Fox was trying to do earlier this year
with forcing libraries to purchase only the no-frills versions of
popular DVDs (which they quickly recanted). 
As for what we do in-house once we receive the DVD with digital copy *
we?re doing what Meghann and the University of Delaware are doing. Also,
if a patron is savvy enough to know about the digital copies in the
first place, they should also be savvy enough to know that the download
is a one-time thing. 
Winona Patterson
A/V Cataloger
LRC Tech Services, Harper College
1200 W. Algonquin Rd., Palatine, IL 60067
Direct Line 847-925-6770
wpatters@harpercollege.edu 
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
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libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
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of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:48:56 -0400
From: Dennis Doros <milefilms@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] classroom use of "home and community viewing"
	dvd
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Michael,
Oh, wow, Michael. Absolutely agree about the techno end, but as to
content,
as Bugs Bunny would say, "He don't know me too well, do he?" Amy and I
release films because we fall in love with them and have to share them.
For
us (and a lot of distributors are just like us), trying to acquire a
movie
because it will make money is like a hitter going up to the plate and
trying
to hit a home run. It can happen, but it usually decreases your chances.
And
it's a heck of a lot less fun if you're just in it for the bucks.
Dennis
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Brewer, Michael <
brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
>  Dennis,
>
>
>
>  I do think rights holders having more information on what is really
> used/needed by various communities would help to spur them to create
new
> products or business models that could serve both groups.  In the case
of
> educational institutions using fair use, or even 110 or 108, this
> information usually does not get to them, so they can?t make an
informed
> decision about whether or not to rerelease something, to develop a
streaming
> model, or rates for licensing, etc.
>
>
>
> mb
>
>
>
> Michael Brewer
>
> Team Leader for Undergraduate Services
>
> University of Arizona Library
>
> brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Doros
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:48 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] classroom use of "home and community
viewing"
> dvd
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
> Thanks for taking the correction so kindly. We disagree, but to be
honest,
> what I'd really love is that there's a national fund, just like
Australia
> has, that would let colleges do whatever the hell they want on
campuses and
> students would have access to everything. Then colleges would be
delighted
> to report usage since it would be no extra cost. And then filmmakers
and
> rights holders would see decent-sized checks on a regular basis rather
than
> have to invoice one film at a time.
>
>
>
> Come to think of it, this is what we should all be fighting for in
congress rather
> than trying to change copyright piecemeal. We even have a political
> administration that is tech savvy.
>
>
>
> D
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Brewer, Michael <
> brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
> You are right.  I misspoke about the word not being in the law.  I
regret
> having sent my last email without thinking it through and being more
clear.
>
> That said, I do still think that this wording does not mean that only
less
> than the whole can be used.  The court cases and practices I sited
before
> make it pretty clear that it can. My reading, and I assume the reading
of
> the judges in those cases, is that "portion used in relation to the
whole"
> here is taken to mean "what percentage of the work is being used?"
>
> I'd like to know more about how judges have written about this in
their
> rulings.  I'll snoop around a bit and see what I can come up with and
share
> it with the list.
>
> Thanks for keeping me honest!
>
> mb
> ________________________________
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu [
> videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros [
> milefilms@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:43 PM
>
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] classroom use of "home and community viewing"
dvd
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Brewer, Michael <
> brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu<mailto:brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu>>
> wrote:
> The law says nothing about it having to be a portion.  There have been
a
> number of fair use cases that have been upheld where an entire work
was
> used. It could be a portion or more than a portion (an entire article,
poem,
> image, whatever).
>
>
> Copyright Law Section 107
>
>    *   The purpose and character of the use, including whether such
use is
> of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
>    *   The nature of the copyrighted work
>    *   The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation
to the
> copyrighted work as a whole
>    *   The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value
of,
> the copyrighted work
>
> --
> Best,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video
> PO Box 128
> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117
> Fax: 201-767-3035
>
> email: milefilms@gmail.com<mailto:milefilms@gmail.com>
> www.milestonefilms.com<http://www.milestonefilms.com>
> www.arayafilm.com<http://www.arayafilm.com>
> www.exilesfilm.com<http://www.exilesfilm.com>
> www.killerofsheep.com<http://www.killerofsheep.com>
> AMIA St. Louis 2009: www.amianet.org<http://www.amianet.org>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video
> PO Box 128
> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117
> Fax: 201-767-3035
> email: milefilms@gmail.com
> www.milestonefilms.com
> www.arayafilm.com
> www.exilesfilm.com
> www.killerofsheep.com
> AMIA St. Louis 2009: www.amianet.org
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
-- 
Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefilms@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.killerofsheep.com
AMIA St. Louis 2009: www.amianet.org
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