Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 16, Issue 65

ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:35:26 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Larry

Thanks for this. The model you've outlined below is, from my point of
view, exceptionally reasonable and infinitely sensible. I think a
flexible licensing model of this sort that allows purchase of a physical
piece (i.e. DVD for the time being) and/or long-term, IP-authenticated
access to streamed titles; AND the option of an on-demand/short-term
download covers the bases that need to be covered. The DVD and long-term
streaming options provide continuing access for popular/high-use titles
and titles that have long-term research importance; the VoD/download
option allows online access for titles that may, for one reason or the
other, not warrant a full-blown institutional license.

Good stuff!

Gary Handman
"
by the way: when you say "$390 with unlimited streaming" do you mean
unlimited in terms of the number of simultaneous users from authenticated
IP address and/or in-perpetuity access rights...??? Important to know!

> I've found this thread on streaming video very informative. I agree with
> Gary that a serials model is unworkable from both the point of view of
> distributors and video librarians. DVD sales with or without streaming
> license for the life of a file or DVD make more sense to me. There have
> however been frequent protestations on this list that distributors'
> prices are too high and that copyright restricts wider educational use.
> Therefore Newsreel is trying an experiment with our latest release, a
> film about the "politics of knowledge," especially as it relates to
> African anthropology. We will still sell DVDs for $195 or $390 with
> unlimited streaming but the film will also be available for individual
> download (rental) on i-Tunes for $2.99. This will allow students and
> faculty at schools which cannot afford to buy a DVD.or streaming
> license, to still have access to the title. If this optiion proves
> useful to enough people, we will offer other titles on this basis and
> make them available from more content aggregation sites. Students are,
> of course, as economically stressed as the rest of us; but $2.99 seems a
> small price compared to the cost of a Hollywood feature at the theatre,
> a text book or even a hamburger!
>
> Larry
>
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> 1. Re: streaming video= serials pricing model (Hutchison, Jane)
> 2. Warner Archive Releases (Jaeschke, Myles)
> 3. Re: Warner Archive Releases (Chris Lewis)
> 4. Scraping and fair use (Brigid Duffy)
> 5. Re: streaming video= serials pricing model (McKenzie, Rue)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:17:14 -0400
> From: "Hutchison, Jane" <HutchisonJ@wpunj.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] streaming video= serials pricing model
> To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
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> As technology is repackaged in a new format, we in higher education need
> to step up to the plate and provide leadership in developing a model
> that supports our needs, not of the supplier. We are the consumers. We
> have always prided ourselves in building collections that support the
> academic needs of the institution, rather than just purchasing
> collections that we hope faculty and students will use. We don't have
> unlimited funds; therefore each purchase we make is careful, deliberate
> and purposeful. That's why we spend all the time we do at the National
> Media Market, screening and previewing titles that will suit our needs.
>
>
> I too don't support a serial model. We can't from both a financial
> standpoint as well as a collection development standpoint. We don't
> want titles coming and going. Our titles are needed from an historic
> point of view as well as supporting research. Once we purchase a
> physical title, it usually stays in the collection until it is either
> worn out or replaced.
>
> In New Jersey, we have been working on a statewide level and are
> developing a model license to present to distributors as well as
> developing a statewide authentication tool and an annotation tool that
> enables all institutions to use one interface and one easy way to
> deliver. I agree that working with a number of interfaces and
> logons/passwords is cumbersome not only to manage, but for the user.
> The management of single title and single institution purchases through
> our statewide network is currently being developed. I will be sharing
> the open source products we've been developing at the National Media
> Market this fall and I look forward to further discussion.
>
> Jane B. Hutchison
> Associate Director
> Instruction & Research Technology
> William Paterson University
> Wayne, NJ 07470
> 973-720-2980 (work)
> 973-418-7727 (cell)
> 973-720-2585 (facs)
> hutchisonj@wpunj.edu
> -----Original Message-----
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:41 PM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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> Subject: Re: [Videolib] streaming video= serials pricing model
>
> Agree!
>
> Given the serial nature of licensing, spending large portions of a
> budget on big digital deals is stupid and irresponsible, unless it can
> be fairly clearly demonstrated that there's a net gain benefit in terms
> of content and potential users. That's why I rail so loudly against
> what I've termed "curated" digital collections--those packages that are
> assembled by a distributor/vendor and purchased lock, stock, and
> stream... In my experience, fairly small subsets of these types of
> collections may be valuable to the teaching and research mission of a
> particular institution...the rest, not so. Doesn't matter it's often
> all or nuthin'
> I've noticed a fair number of cases in which the rush to go online and
> the entrancement with all things digital (by library administrators, by
> faculty) is leading libraries into some very unfortunate collection
> decisions.
>
> Even in cases where the titles are "hand-picked" for digital licensing,
> the shift from one-time to recurrent cost will force a fairly stringent
> yearly reassessment of a licensed title's worth to the institution.
> Academic libraries aren't generally in the business of weeding. I have
> a feeling that licensing is going to force us to do a kind of weeding by
> "turning off" titles that aren't currently being used in classroom
> teaching or in high demand. If it eventually so happens that online
> becomes the ONLY mode of access...well, there goes the cultural record.
>
> Gary Handman
>
>
>
>> It is rather obvious to me that streaming video is moving to an
>> environment where it can be treated not like monographs (buy it, use
> it,
>> lend it, ILL it), to a serials model (pay for a access to a select
> group
>> of users, vendors expect to charge annual fees, and libraries have to
> pay
>> more and more each year). Unfortunately, this model is great for
>> vendors--and a useful way to fund infrastructure improvements
> necessary to
>> deliver digital--but it has not yet proved to be financially viable
> for
>> libraries long-term.
>>
>> I fear that in the future, academic libraries will spend large
> portions of
>> their budget on digital "big deals" at the expense of smaller,
>> independently produced films that don't have all the bells & whistles.
>>
>> Sarah
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats
> in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
> serve
>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
> channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:37:53 -0500
> From: "Jaeschke, Myles" <mjaesch@tulsalibrary.org>
> Subject: [Videolib] Warner Archive Releases
> To: "'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
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> Hello all,
>
> I want to revisit for a moment our discussion of films that were once
> available on VHS that have never come out on DVD. Warner Bros has just
> released several titles that have not made it to DVD until now.
> Unfortunately they are only available though Warner Bros. website only.
> :(
>
> http://www.wbshop.com/Warner-Archive/EXCLARCHIVE,default,sc.html
>
> There are some great titles in there though...
> Abe Lincoln in Illinois
> King of the Roaring Twenties
> Heroes for Sale
> The Mating Game
>
> There are plenty of others too. I just wish they could be purchased a
> bit easier. Credit card orders can be a real hassle as many of you
> probably know.
>
> All the best,
> Myles Jaeschke
>
> Tulsa City-County Library System
> Media Collections
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> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:52:48 -0400
> From: Chris Lewis <clewis@american.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Warner Archive Releases
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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> How they arrive at the number doesn't make a lot of sense but this
> Variety article says Warners will be releasing as many as 5000 titles in
> all:
> http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118001496.html?categoryid=1009&cs=1
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jaeschke, Myles
> <mjaesch@tulsalibrary.org>wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to revisit for a moment our discussion of films that were once
>> available on VHS that have never come out on DVD. Warner Bros has
>> just released several titles that have not made it to DVD until now.
>> Unfortunately they are only available though Warner Bros. website
>> only. L
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.wbshop.com/Warner-Archive/EXCLARCHIVE,default,sc.html
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some great titles in there though?
>>
>> Abe Lincoln in Illinois
>>
>> King of the Roaring Twenties
>>
>> Heroes for Sale
>>
>> The Mating Game
>>
>>
>>
>> There are plenty of others too. I just wish they could be purchased a
>
>> bit easier. Credit card orders can be a real hassle as many of you
>> probably know.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Myles Jaeschke
>>
>>
>>
>> Tulsa City-County Library System
>>
>> Media Collections
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Chris Lewis
> Media Librarian
> American University Library
> 202.885.3257
>
> "Never write when you can talk. Never talk when you can nod. And never
> put
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:06:39 -0700
> From: Brigid Duffy <bduffy@sfsu.edu>
> Subject: [Videolib] Scraping and fair use
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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> This just in from the world of print, via the ABA Journal Tech Report:
> print people have problems with copyright and the Internet, too.
>
> http://www.abajournal.com/news/how_much_excerpting_is_too_much_scraping_
> suits_may_hone_fair_use_standard
>
>
> Brigid Duffy
> Media Acquisitions
> Academic Technology
> San Francisco State University
> San Francisco, CA 94132-4200
> E-mail: bduffy@sfsu.edu
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:47:43 -0400
> From: "McKenzie, Rue" <rmckenzie@lib.usf.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] streaming video= serials pricing model
> To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
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> We have been experimenting with several avenues of online video. We
> lease some packages that have been very well received by faculty and
> students. I also do title by title additions, some based on faculty
> requests and some from my selection perspective. They have done well
> also, because many are titles that we have placed hard copies on
> reserve. We have avoided online products from vendors that don't
> provide IP authentication.
>
>
>
> At this time, we do not have the infrastructure to store and serve
> online video, even if we can purchase the digital rights and/or files
> (which seems to be offered more these days). We have currently
> developed a proposal to expand our infrastructure to support this. In a
> way I would personally prefer to select titles and have the
> vendors/distributors handle the storing and serving, but then you are in
> lease rather than own mode (at least in my experience). So, we have
> hopes of taking on the responsibilities to expand our options.
>
>
>
> We are also investigating the new service by Swank that provides online
> access to a number of feature films for use within specific guidelines
> of time and course. Not only would this support to some extent current
> physical course reserves, but also the use of feature films in courses
> with 100+ students, distance learners, and course meeting time
> constraints. We have A LOT of that. I still don't have all the
> details, but it will require additional coordination on our part as
> well. Of course the ultimate content and delivery need to be evaluated
> carefully.
>
>
>
> Regardless of vendor and server, my current "best case scenario" is:
>
> An authenticated patron could access an online video title found in the
> catalog, MetaLib, or any other Library resource available, click on the
> URL link, and seamlessly begin watching their chosen program in perfect
> quality. And, also have patrons understand that not every video they
> can think of is online, and quite possibly never will be. And, even if
> it is, the content and quality of the video is directly related to its
> successful use online, whether on a desktop or in a classroom.
>
>
>
> Rue
>
>
>
> Rue McKenzie
> Coordinator of Media Collections
> Collection Analysis & Technical Services University of South Florida,
> Tampa Library
> 813-974-6342
>
> "An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how
> much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know
> and what you don't."--Anatole France
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Kopp
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:12 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] streaming video= serials pricing model
>
>
>
> Sarah, et al.
>
>
>
> It's definitely not a model you would apply to building "collections",
> but it looks like it's the model we are stuck with, in providing
> "content" to the classroom. The issue is that you obviously don't want
> all your eggs in one basket (one digital streaming vendor). But when you
> provide more than one service, then you have more and more codes,
> usernames, passwords, sign-up passwords, admin passwords, etc, etc, etc.
>
>
>
> I guess we will have "collections" of digital streams...some housed
> locally (if you build the infrastructure) and some vendor based. It's a
> whole new way of looking at things.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark W. Kopp
>
> Technology Assistant
>
> IT Department
>
> Appalachia Intermediate Unit 8
>
> 4500 6th Avenue
>
> Altoona, PA 16602
>
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>
> F: 814-949-0984
>
> C: 814-937-2802
>
>
>
> From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Andrews, Sarah
> E
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:08 PM
> To: videolib@list.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [Videolib] streaming video= serials pricing model
>
>
>
> It is rather obvious to me that streaming video is moving to an
> environment where it can be treated not like monographs (buy it, use it,
> lend it, ILL it), to a serials model (pay for a access to a select group
> of users, vendors expect to charge annual fees, and libraries have to
> pay more and more each year). Unfortunately, this model is great for
> vendors--and a useful way to fund infrastructure improvements necessary
> to deliver digital--but it has not yet proved to be financially viable
> for libraries long-term.
>
>
>
> I fear that in the future, academic libraries will spend large portions
> of their budget on digital "big deals" at the expense of smaller,
> independently produced films that don't have all the bells & whistles.
>
>
>
> Sarah
>
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> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>

Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.