Re: [Videolib] Restricted PPR

GODIN, CHRISTINE (cgodin@mail.accd.edu)
Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:40:43 -0600

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I've been amazed for some time that these distributors think academic
libraries have unlimited budgets. Many of these titles are as Cynthia
describes-very specific topics that might appeal to one section or two
of a particular course-viewed by perhaps 50 students in any given
semester. Assuming they all attend class. Assuming our faculty even
check the holdings of the library for pertinent info.

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Christine C. Godin

Dean of Learning Resources

Adjunct Faculty, Theatre

Northwest Vista College

3535 N. Ellison Dr.

San Antonio, TX 78251

210.486.4572 voice

210.486.4504 fax

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From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Steinhoff,
Cindy
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:04 PM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Restricted PPR

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I, too, have been seeing more multi-tier pricing, with 3 or 4 tiers. I
just bought a DVD from a small distributor and it had 4 pricing tiers.
Home use was the lowest price, followed by K-12 schools Community
organizations and public libraries were next, and college and
universities at the highest price - $250, almost 3 times what community
organizations and public libraries would pay. When I asked about the
rationale, I was told that "more people would view it in a college," and
they were trying to price according use. We're not a huge school, and
this was a program that would be used by one instructor with probably no
more than 40-50 students a semester. I would guess, given the topic of
the program, that more viewers than that would see it in a high school
or community organization setting.=20

=20

Initially, the distributor wasn't willing to give us a preview, and
finally agreed to a refund within 30 days if the program didn't work for
the instructor. It didn't, so we returned it.

=20

Cynthia Steinhoff

Anne Arundel Community College

Arnold, MD

-----Original Message-----
From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu]On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:16 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Restricted PPR

=09
2 Two tiered pricing where a title IS available in the home
market but you are "encouraged" to buy the higher priced model for PPR
rights you probably don't need ( FYI as streaming becomes more desired
this may change) . Here you basically have to use common sense and make
sure you know your options
=09
The situation is worse than two tier and getting out of hand.
California Newsreel has a 3 tier pricing structure, differentiating
further College, Corporation, Gov't Agencies from High Schools, Public
Libraries, HBCUs
& Qualifying Community Organizations. The first tier is four
times the price of the second. I don't know where anyone gets the idea
we are better off, but we took a 15% hit off the top this year and are
facing an additional 10% next year.
=09
Jerry=20

=20

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Book =
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color:#244061'>I&#8217;ve been amazed for some time that these =
distributors think
academic libraries have unlimited budgets. Many of these titles are as =
Cynthia
describes&#8212;very specific topics that might appeal to one section or =
two of a
particular course&#8212;viewed by perhaps 50 students in any given =
semester. Assuming
they all attend class. Assuming our faculty even check the holdings of =
the
library for pertinent info.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua","serif";
color:#244061'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span style=3D'font-family:"Bradley Hand =
ITC";
color:#244061'>Christine C. Godin<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#244061'>Dean of Learning Resources<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#244061'>Adjunct Faculty, Theatre<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5F497A'>Northwest Vista College<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#244061'>3535 N. Ellison Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#244061'>San Antonio, TX 78251<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061'>210.486.4572
voice<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061'>210.486.4504
fax<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua","serif";
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Steinhoff,
Cindy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Videolib] Restricted PPR<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I, too, have been seeing more multi-tier pricing, with 3 or =
4
tiers.&nbsp; I just bought a DVD from a small distributor&nbsp;and it
had&nbsp;4 pricing tiers.&nbsp; Home use was the lowest price, followed =
by K-12
schools&nbsp; Community organizations and public libraries were next, =
and
college and universities at the highest price - $250, almost 3 times =
what
community organizations and public libraries would pay.&nbsp; When I =
asked
about the rationale, I was told that &quot;more people would view it in =
a
college,&quot; and they were trying to price according&nbsp;use.&nbsp; =
We're
not a huge school, and this was a program that would be used by one =
instructor
with probably no more than 40-50 students a semester.&nbsp; I would =
guess,
given the topic of the program, that more viewers than that would see it =
in a
high school or community organization =
setting.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Initially, the distributor wasn't willing to give us a =
preview, and
finally agreed to a refund within 30 days if the program didn't work for =
the
instructor.&nbsp; It didn't, so we returned it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
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color:blue'>Cynthia Steinhoff</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
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color:blue'>Anne Arundel Community College</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Arnold, MD</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry =
Notaro<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Videolib] Restricted PPR</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
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2 &nbsp;Two tiered pricing where a title IS available in the home market =
but
you are &#8220;encouraged&#8221; to buy the higher &nbsp;priced model =
for PPR rights you
probably don&#8217;t need ( FYI as streaming becomes more desired this =
may change) .
Here you basically have to use common sense &nbsp;and make sure you know =
your
options<br>
<br>
The situation is worse than two tier and getting out of hand. California
Newsreel has a 3 tier pricing structure, differentiating further =
College,
Corporation, Gov't Agencies from High Schools, Public Libraries, =
HBCUs<br>
&amp; Qualifying Community Organizations. The first tier is four times =
the
price of the second. I don&#8217;t know where anyone gets the idea we =
are better off,
but we took a 15% hit off the top this year and are facing an additional =
10%
next year.<br>
<br>
Jerry</span> <o:p></o:p></p>

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