Re: [Videolib] copyright AGAIN [Scanned]

Mark Kopp (mkopp@iu08.org)
Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:55:25 -0400

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The most important term in your comment..."should"

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And on the other side of your "should", some producer/rights holder is
claiming they "should" get paid every single time someone views their
stuff. It's the very reason they want the law to prevent us from
tampering with the "technological measures". The less exemptions there
are, the more money they stand to make. It's quite simple,
actually...always follow the money. In yesteryear, there was only one
format at a time. Now, formats change with the weather and
producers/rights holders want paid for the same "art work/intellectual
property" with each format change. If they can convince the world...and
the law...that they need paid for each change, it's in their best
interest to demand such recompense and try to keep the law on their
side. Of course, that means we, as in anyone who purchases...or are
FORCED to purchase due to format retirement...must ante up for each
format change. Those who sell, want as much as they can get for their
wares...and those who buy, wish to pay as little as possible for those
same wares.

=20

It's a damn good thing we don't have to buy lumber this way. You'd buy a
piece of wood to build a house. That's OK...those rights were secured at
the time of purchase. But when you try to use it to build a picnic
table, you need to repurchase the rights because that's a format change.
Imagine the trouble if you then sold that transformative work. The wood
was originally sold to build a house, but now it's used as a
table!...let's not go there right now. Now, when you wish to also build
a bird house, you need to purchase rights again...why?...format change!.
When you're done with the bird house and you burn it, be
careful!...that's also a format change, but it's a grey area and we'd
need to get a lawyer, or maybe an exemption to the Library of Wood
Products. After it's all been said, it's still a piece of wood, once a
tree, and when the forester cut down that tree, it was his intent for it
to be a house and that was his work and he wanted it to be a house, and
by damned, he should have gotten paid again, when it became a picnic
table, and again when it became a bird house, and even when it was used
as heat. How absurd!

=20

I'm lookin forward to Friday!

=20

Mark

=20

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Mark W. Kopp

Technology Assistant

IT Department

Appalachia Intermediate Unit 8

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From: videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Anna Headley
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:13 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] copyright AGAIN [Scanned]

=20

As I understand it:
I can buy a DVD with PPR for the life of the product. Even if you stop
selling that DVD, if I still have it and it still works, I still have
those rights. What is the difference with a digital file?? It should
be the same thing. You sell it to me, you send it to me, and I own it
along with the rights until it's obsolete or broken. After a while,
your ownership runs out and you can't sell it anymore. But that
shouldn't affect the copy I already have. Please tell me what I'm
missing.
best,
anna h.

Subject:=20

Re: [Videolib] copyright AGAIN

From:=20

Jessica Rosner <jrosner@kino.com> <mailto:jrosner@kino.com>=20

Date:=20

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:55:01 -0400

To:=20

<videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>=20

=20

To:=20

<videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>=20

Well being almost totally ignorant of digital technology it is hard for
me
to say. If in fact this is a format with life span similar to VHS or DVd
which small companies at least have and continue to sell with some kind
of
PPR rights it might work but I suspect that realistically you are
really
looking towards licensing with more specific time frame between say 1-5
years.
=20
=20
On 10/29/08 11:27 AM, "Brewer, Michael" <brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu>
<mailto:brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu>=20
wrote:
=20

--=20
Anna Headley
Swarthmore College Library
610.690.5781
aheadle1@swarthmore.edu=20

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'>The
most important term in your =
comment&#8230;&#8221;should&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'>And
on the other side of your &#8220;should&#8221;, some producer/rights =
holder is
claiming they &#8220;should&#8221; get paid every single time someone =
views
their stuff. It&#8217;s the very reason they want the law to prevent us =
from
tampering with the &#8220;technological measures&#8221;. The less =
exemptions
there are, the more money they stand to make. It&#8217;s quite simple, =
actually&#8230;always
follow the money. In yesteryear, there was only one format at a time. =
Now,
formats change with the weather and producers/rights holders want paid =
for the
same &#8220;art work/intellectual property&#8221; with each format =
change. If
they can convince the world&#8230;and the law&#8230;that they need paid =
for each
change, it&#8217;s in their best interest to demand such recompense and =
try to
keep the law on their side. Of course, that means we, as in anyone who
purchases&#8230;or are FORCED to purchase due to format =
retirement&#8230;must ante
up for each format change. Those who sell, want as much as they can get =
for
their wares&#8230;and those who buy, wish to pay as little as possible =
for
those same wares.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'>It&#8217;s
a damn good thing we don&#8217;t have to buy lumber this way. =
You&#8217;d buy a
piece of wood to build a house. That&#8217;s OK&#8230;those rights were =
secured
at the time of purchase. But when you try to use it to build a picnic =
table,
you need to repurchase the rights because that&#8217;s a format change. =
Imagine
the trouble if you then sold that transformative work. The wood was =
originally
sold to build a house, but now it&#8217;s used as a =
table!&#8230;let&#8217;s
not go there right now. Now, when you wish to also build a bird house, =
you need
to purchase rights again&#8230;why?...format change!. When you&#8217;re =
done
with the bird house and you burn it, be careful!...that&#8217;s also a =
format
change, but it&#8217;s a grey area and we&#8217;d need to get a lawyer, =
or maybe
an exemption to the Library of Wood Products. After it&#8217;s all been =
said,
it&#8217;s still a piece of wood, once a tree, and when the forester cut =
down
that tree, it was his intent for it to be a house and that was his work =
and he
wanted it to be a house, and by damned, he should have gotten paid =
again, when
it became a picnic table, and again when it became a bird house, and =
even when
it was used as heat. How absurd!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'>I&#8217;m
lookin forward to Friday!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anna =
Headley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Videolib] copyright AGAIN =
[Scanned]<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>As I understand it:<br>
I can buy a DVD with PPR for the life of the product.&nbsp; Even if you =
stop
selling that DVD, if I still have it and it still works, I still have =
those
rights.&nbsp; What is the difference with a digital file??&nbsp; It =
should be
the same thing.&nbsp; You sell it to me, you send it to me, and I own it =
along
with the rights until it's obsolete or broken.&nbsp; After a while, your
ownership runs out and you can't sell it anymore.&nbsp; But that =
shouldn't
affect the copy I already have.&nbsp; Please tell me what I'm =
missing.<br>
best,<br>
anna h.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>From: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Jessica Rosner <a =
href=3D"mailto:jrosner@kino.com">&lt;jrosner@kino.com&gt;</a><o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:55:01 -0400<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>To: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
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<pre>Well&nbsp; being almost totally ignorant of digital technology it =
is hard for me<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to say. If in fact this is a format =
with life span similar to VHS or DVd<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>which small =
companies at least have and continue to sell with some kind =
of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>PPR rights&nbsp; it might work but I suspect =
that realistically you are really<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>looking towards =
licensing with more specific time frame between say =
1-5<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>years.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
re><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre>On 10/29/08 11:27 AM, &quot;Brewer, =
Michael&quot; <a
href=3D"mailto:brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu">&lt;brewerm@u.library.arizo=
na.edu&gt;</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></pre>

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<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>

<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Anna =
Headley<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Swarthmore College =
Library<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>610.690.5781<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href=3D"mailto:aheadle1@swarthmore.edu">aheadle1@swarthmore.edu</a> =
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