RE: [Videolib] video reproductions by libraries

Brewer, Michael (brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu)
Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:24:05 -0700

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I agree with Jessica that 108 does not allow you to make preemptive
backup copies. You can always get a copy from another library if you
need to replace a damaged item (though it is not always easy). If you
make an analog copy, you can allow it to circulate outside the library
all you want. It is only if the replacement is digital that there is a
restriction on access to the public outside the building.=20

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Michael Brewer

Slavic Studies, German Studies & Media Arts Librarian

University of Arizona Library=20

brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu

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From: owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:23 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] video reproductions by libraries

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It is a can of worms but two thing, you definitely can not routinely
make a back up copy. That is patently illegal
We have argued 108 here before but one thing that is clear is that IF
you make a copy of a damaged /decorating video
It can't circulate outside the library

On 10/9/07 11:52 AM, "Deborah Benrubi" <benrubi@usfca.edu> wrote:

At the risk of opening a big old can of worms I'd like to ask if you all
make copies of videos to keep in the library and bring out if the
original is damaged, deteriorating, lost, or stolen.

I have interpreted Section 108 to mean you can't make a copy until after
the fact of damage, etc. Of course that doesn't make sense but neither
does much of copyright law.=20

But it's been suggested to me that some libraries routinely make backup
copies of new video acquisitions. Do you? And do you circulate the
copies after the original is gone?

I have a background in law but I find Section 108 very confusing;
sections seem to contradict each other.=20

Deborah Benrubi
Technical Services Librarian
University of San Francisco
Gleeson Library|Geschke Center
2130 Fulton St.
San Francisco, CA 94117

PHONE (415) 422-5672 / FAX (415) 422-2233=20
EMAIL <benrubi@usfca.edu>

Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
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Jessica Rosner
Kino International
333 W 39th St. 503
NY NY 10018
jrosner@kino.com
212-629-6880

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always
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[mailto:owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu] <b><span =
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Behalf Of </span></b>Jessica Rosner<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October =
09, 2007
9:23 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Videolib] =
video
reproductions by libraries</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>It is a can of worms but =
&nbsp;two
thing, you definitely can not routinely make a back up copy. That is =
patently
illegal<br>
We have argued 108 here before but one thing that is clear is that IF =
you make
a copy of &nbsp;a damaged /decorating video<br>
It can&#8217;t circulate outside the library<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/9/07 11:52 AM, &quot;Deborah Benrubi&quot; =
&lt;benrubi@usfca.edu&gt;
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Verdana'>At the risk of opening a =
big old
can of worms I'd like to ask if you all make copies of videos to keep in =
the
library and bring out if the original is damaged, deteriorating, lost, =
or
stolen.<br>
<br>
I have interpreted Section 108 to mean you can't make a copy until after =
the
fact of damage, etc. Of course that doesn't make sense but neither does =
much of
copyright law. <br>
<br>
But it's been suggested to me that some libraries routinely make backup =
copies
of new video acquisitions. Do you? And do you circulate the copies after =
the
original is gone?<br>
<br>
I have a background in law but I find Section 108 very confusing; =
sections seem
to contradict each other. <br>
<br>
<br>
Deborah Benrubi<br>
Technical Services Librarian<br>
University of San Francisco<br>
Gleeson Library|Geschke Center<br>
2130 Fulton St.<br>
San Francisco, CA 94117<br>
<br>
PHONE (415) 422-5672 / FAX (415) 422-2233 <br>
EMAIL &lt;benrubi@usfca.edu&gt;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Jessica Rosner<br>
Kino International<br>
333 W 39th St. 503<br>
NY NY 10018<br>
jrosner@kino.com<br>
212-629-6880</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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