Mark: what do you think of MPEG-4 (or MPEG-2) as a preservation (as
opposed to a delivery) standard. I'm currently trying to get my head
around what to use as a
"file format of record". We'll probably be streaming out as Windows Media
(don't get me started...our systems guys are rabidly anti-Mac and Real
sucks big time; Flash and Java-based encoders/players have significant
limits...so what can I do? ). I guess we can burn a DVD and use that, but
that makes me nervous.
Ideas or thoughts?
At 07:56 PM 6/19/2007, you wrote:
>Two observations: The notion that a DVD (MPEG-4) file would be used as
>the basis of a
>streaming system has been thrown about in this thread several times, to whit:
> " . . . About that single DVD copy that's being
> used to make the file for
> streaming ... "
> " . . . . . strip a DVD, dump it on a server and stream for
> everyone . . . ."
>Given the incredible compression ratio of MPEG-4 and the bandwidth
>required to move an MPEG-4 file
>why would MPEG-4 be the file format of choice for a streaming system?
>Certainly not for the clarity.
>Moving and MPEG-4 means streaming a lot of resolution quality that can't
>be resolved at the
>user desktop. It will be seen on a computer screen, not an HDTV.
>This gem has surfaced again, as it has in other threads about streaming
>and/or digital rights -----
> " Gary, I have been told by many librarians at the
> diverse ALAs I went to
> that they consider that the public performance price is
> plenty and covers all
> their streaming rights. If I was a librarian I would
> certainly want to
> believe that too. But I'm on the other side of the fence
> here and my
> opinion is that a $200 copy does not cover a campus of
> 10,000 students. . . ."
>I've been working with digital rights issues since 1999 and I have never
>heard a reasonable video librarian
>expect to pay the same for digital rights as a single copy PPR video.
>On the other hand it is a specious argument to
>flash the "10,000 student" argument as justification for a per pupil
>charge or some other exorbitant pricing scheme.
>First, why can't $200 cover a campus of 10,000 students? Are all 10,000
>students going to use the video?
>Second, this market place has a history of multi-copy discounting and hard
>copy duplication rights contracts.
>In a regional media center the purchase of multiple copies or dupe rights
>of high demand titles drove the
>"unit" price down, not up.
>In a university environment one copy may suffice to cover three sections
>of a specific course offered each semester. Total viewings?
>What, 35-40 students per section? Perhaps 240 to 300 viewers in six class
>Now, enter streaming technology. Professor assigns the title to watch as
>homework. Students stream the title at will (time shift viewing)
>and watch it at home or in the dorm, or on their iPod, or vPhone et
>al. Total number of viewers? About 240 to 300.
>Hmmmmmmmm and for this some distributors suddenly want $2,000 up front for
>a five year license? And another $2,000 or $3,000
>to renew? So let's get a grip on reality here. It cost the same per
>running finished minute to produce a video for release in hard copy
>as it does for release with streaming rights. The fact that it is
>available on a university digital server does not mean that suddenly 6,000
>people are going to want to download the title and keep it for posterity.
>Educational digital servers are generally password protected and users
>have to register to gain access to search the catalog of titles.
>For the convenience of making content available to students and staff 24/7
>and for not having to stock two or three hard
>copies that are subject to damage and loss, yea - that's worth a premium
>over the cost of two or three hard copies with PPR.
>But the notion that digital media is so special that we should agree to
>pay six times the hard copy list price and be expected to pay it
>again five years later is a disservice to the customer / distributor
>relationship. It is false economics and false pricing. The value added
>simply isn't there.
>Oh, yea - the first counter argument to this is "but our contracts with
>the producers demand these prices . ." So what. Rewrite the contracts!
>What? Did you loose a bet and you HAD to accept the contract from the
>producer with a digital pricing rider that looks
>like extortion? Ultimately the market place decides what is a fair price.
>But the buyer side has to get wise to the thinking
>behind the rates set for digital rights and see them for what they are.
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>communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
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