Re: [Videolib] Nothing about videos in ALA's State of Libraries report?

Christine Godin (diractor@yahoo.com)
Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:55:55 -0700 (PDT)

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Please don't lump all academic libraries together on this, Vicki. While large universities have been slower to come around on the value and development of an audiovisual collection, most community colleges have embraced it wholeheartedly. Take a look in that direction. Many CC libraries have an AV department. You might not have the luxury of ONLY looking at film, but very few libraries have the luxury of hiring extremely specific subject specialists, too.

Christine Godin
Northwest Vista College ( a 2 yr college)
San Antonio, TX

Vicki Lee Woods <woodsvic@webster.edu> wrote:
Having just finished my MLS less than a year ago, I've been dumfounded
at the lack of jobs for subject specialists in cinema/film/motion
pictures, whatever you want to call it. I have 15 years experience as a
film programmer and just as many as an adjunct professor in Film
Studies, yet, when libraries seek to fill this gap, if they even
mention film as a subject speciality, it's frequently grouped with
another area and that other area is what they really want, such as Film
and Music librarian, or Film and Visual Arts, or Film and Theatre.
Today many public libraries have a circulation rate of close to 25% for
non-print material but have no subject specialist--yet they'll have a
specialist in some obscure section of Art History. What goes?

Also, I think Academic libraries worry too much about becoming a
"Blockbuster" and therefore just prefer to ignore the whole issue.

On Apr 23, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Deborah Benrubi wrote:

> I think people are working with two different meanings of "video"
> here. I think of videos as either DVD or VHS but some people think
> only VHS are "videos" and DVDs are something else.
>
> As I understand it the issue is that the ALA report does not address
> moving image recordings in any format whether DVD, VHS, or other.
>
> At 02:43 PM 4/23/2007 -0700, Gary Handman wrote:
>> Beg to differ (as someone who's been around since Edison cranked his
>> first
>> kinetoscope): ALA's decision (or oversight) is based on the fact
>> that, despite
>> the cultural and cognitive revolutions brought on by moving image
>> technology,
>> ALA and libraries in general still "don't get it" The container of
>> the medium--
>> it's form and format--are completely beside the point. The real
>> issue centers
>> around much more fundamental biases and misconceptions and downright
>> myopia
>> about the moving images that prevade libraries and library
>> organizations.
>> Exclusion of "VIDEO" from ALA's report is no more pathetic than the
>> shabby way
>> in which moving images continue to be treated in most libraries (both
>> academic
>> and public).
>>
>> The fact is, we're living in a post-print society. Insitutions that
>> don't catch
>> on to the fact are doomed to be marginalized or shut down completely.
>>
>> Gary Handman
>>
>>
>> Quoting Amanda Ros :
>>
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > Videos continue to circulate at a fairly steady pace in 7 of our 8
>> > branches. While we are not purchasing videos, patrons are donating
>> them
>> > left and right--presumably because they are replacing them with
>> DVD's or
>> > their kids have outgrown the cartoons.
>> >
>> > ALA's decision to exclude VHS appears to me to be a response to the
>> fact
>> > the VHS is a dying media. It is getting more and more difficult to
>> find
>> > VHS supplies from our vendors. But, given that libraries still
>> carry
>> > videos, I think that they should consider addressing them.
>> >
>> > I'm curious though. How many of your libraries still have VHS
>> > collections? Are you (the powers that be) considering dumping the
>> > collection? If your library doesn't carry VHS but did at 1 time,
>> how
>> > long ago did you get rid of your VHS collection?
>> >
>> > Amanda Ros
>> > AV Cataloger
>> > Jackson-George Regional Library
>> > tsav@jgrls.org
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> > [mailto:owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
>> > MichaelMay.5652831@bloglines.com
>> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:39 PM
>> > To: publib@webjunction.org
>> > Cc: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> > Subject: [Videolib] Nothing about videos in ALA's State of Libraries
>> > report?
>> >
>> > ALA has released its "2007 State of America's Libraries" report:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.ala.org/2007state
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > While DVD circulation has been one of the fastest growing areas at
>> my
>> > public
>> > library, the report does not appear to mention video collections or
>> > services.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Considering recent stats or trends at your library, do you think
>> videos
>> > should be mentioned in the 2008 report?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike in Dubuque
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> acquisition,bibliographic
>> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video
>> formats in
>> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
>> serve
>> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
>> channel
>> > of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and
>> video
>> > producers and distributors.
>> >
>> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion
>> of issues
>> > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control,
>> > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and
>> > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
>> effective
>> > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication
>> > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> > distributors.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> distributors.
>
> Deborah Benrubi
> Technical Services Librarian
> University of San Francisco
> Gleeson Library|Geschke Center
> 2130 Fulton St.
> San Francisco, CA 94117
>
> PHONE (415) 422-5672 / FAX (415) 422-2233
> EMAIL
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>

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<div>Please don't lump all academic libraries together on this, Vicki. While large universities have been slower to come around on the value and development of an audiovisual collection, most community colleges have embraced it wholeheartedly. Take a look in that direction. Many CC libraries have an AV department. You might not have the luxury of ONLY looking at film, but very few libraries have the luxury of hiring extremely specific subject specialists, too.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Christine Godin</div> <div>Northwest Vista College ( a 2 yr college)</div> <div>San Antonio, TX<BR><BR><B><I>Vicki Lee Woods &lt;woodsvic@webster.edu&gt;</I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Having just finished my MLS less than a year ago, I've been dumfounded <BR>at the lack of jobs for subject specialists in cinema/film/motion <BR>pictures, whatever you want to call it. I have 15 years experience
as a <BR>film programmer and just as many as an adjunct professor in Film <BR>Studies, yet, when libraries seek to fill this gap, if they even <BR>mention film as a subject speciality, it's frequently grouped with <BR>another area and that other area is what they really want, such as Film <BR>and Music librarian, or Film and Visual Arts, or Film and Theatre. <BR>Today many public libraries have a circulation rate of close to 25% for <BR>non-print material but have no subject specialist--yet they'll have a <BR>specialist in some obscure section of Art History. What goes?<BR><BR>Also, I think Academic libraries worry too much about becoming a <BR>"Blockbuster" and therefore just prefer to ignore the whole issue.<BR><BR><BR>On Apr 23, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Deborah Benrubi wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; I think people are working with two different meanings of "video" <BR>&gt; here. I think of videos as either DVD or VHS but some people think <BR>&gt; only VHS are "videos" and DVDs are
something else.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; As I understand it the issue is that the ALA report does not address <BR>&gt; moving image recordings in any format whether DVD, VHS, or other.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; At 02:43 PM 4/23/2007 -0700, Gary Handman wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; Beg to differ (as someone who's been around since Edison cranked his <BR>&gt;&gt; first<BR>&gt;&gt; kinetoscope): ALA's decision (or oversight) is based on the fact <BR>&gt;&gt; that, despite<BR>&gt;&gt; the cultural and cognitive revolutions brought on by moving image <BR>&gt;&gt; technology,<BR>&gt;&gt; ALA and libraries in general still "don't get it" The container of <BR>&gt;&gt; the medium--<BR>&gt;&gt; it's form and format--are completely beside the point. The real <BR>&gt;&gt; issue centers<BR>&gt;&gt; around much more fundamental biases and misconceptions and downright <BR>&gt;&gt; myopia<BR>&gt;&gt; about the moving images that prevade libraries and library <BR>&gt;&gt; organizations.<BR>&gt;&gt; Exclusion of
"VIDEO" from ALA's report is no more pathetic than the <BR>&gt;&gt; shabby way<BR>&gt;&gt; in which moving images continue to be treated in most libraries (both <BR>&gt;&gt; academic<BR>&gt;&gt; and public).<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; The fact is, we're living in a post-print society. Insitutions that <BR>&gt;&gt; don't catch<BR>&gt;&gt; on to the fact are doomed to be marginalized or shut down completely.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Gary Handman<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Quoting Amanda Ros <TSAV@JGRLS.ORG>:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Mike,<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Videos continue to circulate at a fairly steady pace in 7 of our 8<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; branches. While we are not purchasing videos, patrons are donating <BR>&gt;&gt; them<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; left and right--presumably because they are replacing them with <BR>&gt;&gt; DVD's or<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; their kids have outgrown the cartoons.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; ALA's decision to exclude VHS appears
to me to be a response to the <BR>&gt;&gt; fact<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; the VHS is a dying media. It is getting more and more difficult to <BR>&gt;&gt; find<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; VHS supplies from our vendors. But, given that libraries still <BR>&gt;&gt; carry<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; videos, I think that they should consider addressing them.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; I'm curious though. How many of your libraries still have VHS<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; collections? Are you (the powers that be) considering dumping the<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; collection? If your library doesn't carry VHS but did at 1 time, <BR>&gt;&gt; how<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; long ago did you get rid of your VHS collection?<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Amanda Ros<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; AV Cataloger<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Jackson-George Regional Library<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; tsav@jgrls.org<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; From: owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;
[mailto:owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; MichaelMay.5652831@bloglines.com<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:39 PM<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; To: publib@webjunction.org<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Cc: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Subject: [Videolib] Nothing about videos in ALA's State of Libraries<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; report?<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; ALA has released its "2007 State of America's Libraries" report:<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; http://www.ala.org/2007state<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&am
<BR>&gt;&gt; videos<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; should be mentioned in the 2008 report?<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Mike in Dubuque<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; issues relating to the selection, evaluation, <BR>&gt;&gt; acquisition,bibliographic<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video <BR>&gt;&gt; formats in<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will <BR>&gt;&gt; serve<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a <BR>&gt;&gt; channel<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and <BR>&gt;&gt; video<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; producers and distributors.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion <BR>&gt;&gt; of
issues<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic <BR>&gt;&gt; control,<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in <BR>&gt;&gt; libraries and<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an <BR>&gt;&gt; effective<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of <BR>&gt;&gt; communication<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; distributors.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; -------------------------------------------------<BR>&gt;&gt; This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
formats in libraries and related institutions. It <BR>&gt;&gt; is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for <BR>&gt;&gt; video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between <BR>&gt;&gt; libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and <BR>&gt;&gt; distributors.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Deborah Benrubi<BR>&gt; Technical Services Librarian<BR>&gt; University of San Francisco<BR>&gt; Gleeson Library|Geschke Center<BR>&gt; 2130 Fulton St.<BR>&gt; San Francisco, CA 94117<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; PHONE (415) 422-5672 / FAX (415) 422-2233<BR>&gt; EMAIL <BENRUBI@USFCA.EDU><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of <BR>&gt; issues relating to the selection, evaluation, <BR>&gt; acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current <BR>&gt; and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It <BR>&gt; is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for <BR>&gt;
video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between <BR>&gt; libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and <BR>&gt; distributors.<BR>&gt;<BR><BR>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#407f00>Christine Godin</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#8000ff>GO SPURS GO !!</FONT></STRONG></DIV></DIV><p>&#32;

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