RE: [Videolib] Full length films on eReserve

Badilla-Melendez, Cindy (CBADILLAME@stthomas.edu)
Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:06:08 -0500

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When you have a dvd or vhs and you transfer to an electronic format, that it
is already illegal, does not matter if it protected or not.

Cindy



________________________________________________________________

Cindy Badilla-Melendez

Media Resources Librarian

(651) 962-5464

University of St Thomas

2115 Summit Ave

St Paul, MN 55105

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From: Daisy Dominguez [mailto:daisilla@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:17 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Full length films on eReserve


Electronic reserves are usually password-protected so that only the students
in your face-to-face instruction sessions can have access and you usually
have to accept the copyright statement before moving on to the article. Does
that make a difference, so long as you discard the digitized version after
that semester? Also, isn't there a way to stream it (I'm not sure the term)
where it will technically prevent someone from downloading it? I'm just
checking...


Daisy

Jessica Rosner <jrosner@kino.com> wrote:

Well you can't digitize any copyrighted film without a license from the
rights holder so I don't
think the method makes much difference.
I really don't know what if any licenses from studios allow this but then I
am pretty far behind.
I gather there are some companies who have deals with some rights holders
for downloading material
But I am kind of clueless that titles or types are available

I know that we don't even have these rights for much of our library so I
couldn't license many of our titles if I wanted
To. Frankly I think this would go back to the same problem as PPR at
universities. Since there are thousands
Of CRUCIAL titles ( Chaplin, Fassbinder whatever) you could never get
rights on, it is a MESS
Technology is just way ahead of rights issues and I know a lot of cranky
rights holders who may never
Agree to this

On 9/15/06 10:44 AM, "Sakarya, Mustafa" <MSakarya@mercy.edu> wrote:

Hello,

I hope some of you may have encountered this issue and can give our library
some direction.

Is it legal to put a full length copyrighted film on electronic reserve for
students to download? What if the film is streamed instead?

Thanks everyone for your help

Mustafa Sakarya
Head of Library Media Services
Mercy College, Dobbs Ferry, NY

Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE

Jessica Rosner
Kino International
333 W 39th St. 503
NY NY 10018
jrosner@kino.com
212-629-6880



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Daisy Dominguez
[mailto:daisilla@yahoo.com] <br>
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15, 2006
11:17 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Videolib] =
Full
length films on eReserve</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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the
students in your face-to-face instruction sessions can have access =
and&nbsp;you
usually have to accept the copyright statement before moving on =
to&nbsp;the
article. Does that make a difference, so long as you discard the =
digitized
version after that semester? Also, isn't there a way to stream it (I'm =
not sure
the term) where it will technically prevent someone from downloading =
it? I'm
just checking...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<b><i><span style=3D'font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Jessica Rosner
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face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Well you can&#8217;t =
digitize any
copyrighted film without a license from the &nbsp;rights holder so I
don&#8217;t <br>
think the method makes &nbsp;much difference.<br>
I really don&#8217;t know what if any licenses &nbsp;from studios allow =
this
but then I am pretty far behind.<br>
I gather there are some companies who have deals with some rights =
holders for
downloading material<br>
But I am kind of clueless that titles or types are available<br>
<br>
I know that we don&#8217;t even have these rights for much of our =
library so I
couldn&#8217;t license many of our titles if I wanted<br>
To. Frankly I think this would go back to the same &nbsp;problem as PPR =
at
universities. Since there are thousands<br>
Of CRUCIAL titles &nbsp;( Chaplin, Fassbinder &nbsp;whatever) you =
&nbsp;could
&nbsp;never get rights on, it is a MESS<br>
Technology is just way ahead of rights issues and I know a lot of =
cranky rights
holders who may never<br>
Agree to this<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/15/06 10:44 AM, &quot;Sakarya, Mustafa&quot; =
&lt;MSakarya@mercy.edu&gt;
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hello,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
I hope some of you may have encountered this issue and can give our =
library
some direction.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Is it legal to put a full length copyrighted film on electronic reserve =
for
students to download? &nbsp;&nbsp;What if the film is streamed instead?
&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Thanks everyone for your help<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Mustafa Sakarya<br>
Head of Library Media Services<br>
<st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Mercy</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">College</st1:PlaceType>,
<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Dobbs Ferry</st1:City>, =
<st1:State
w:st=3D"on">NY</st1:State></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<br>
<br>
<br>
Proud Resident of a <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName =
w:st=3D"on">BLUE</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">STATE</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
&nbsp;<br>
Jessica Rosner<br>
Kino International<br>
<st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">333 W 39th =
St.</st1:address></st1:Street>
503<br>
NY NY 10018<br>
jrosner@kino.com<br>
212-629-6880</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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