RE: [Videolib] Would like your thoughts on this one

Andrews, Sarah E (sarah-andrews@uiowa.edu)
Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:44:16 -0500

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We have been forced into purchasing some materials sort of like this-we
tried to buy the home video version from a vendor and the distributor
refused to sell it.

Then when we tried to order from the distributor, we received a license
agreement and a greatly inflated price that was "required" before they
would ship the film....since we needed the film for teaching (our
institution's highest priority), we bit the bullet.

Sarah Andrews

University of Iowa Libraries

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________________________________

From: owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gary Handman
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:04 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Would like your thoughts on this one

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Seems this is a contractual (not a legal) situation: the company is
putting forward conditions for sale and use and the user, in buying,
agrees to the contact. The whole HOME VIDEO issue is just a weird
smokescreen...

I wouldn't do business with these guys, or if I did, I read em the riot
act before I did.

Gary Handman

At 08:36 AM 9/14/2006, you wrote:

Any legal tape can be used for legitimate classroom instruction ( as
opposed to an open showing on campus)
Just curious is the company in question the sole provider of said items
Actually they must be given that they can put a disclaimer on the DVD so
I guess the manufactuar it themselves

The only "trick" will be that I assume you will have to get someone else
to make the purchase as they would be=20
Likely to reject one coming from them.

There is however one BIG problem if they REQUIRE you to agree in order
to purchase the title. For instance if you are ordering on line and up
pops
Something that says " you agree to abide by our terms and conditions"
and it lists the restriction it would
In fact become a contract and a contract WOULD trump copyright law

Basically if the seller REQUIRES the buyer to "sign" off in some way
they can add these restrictions
They could also say that you couldn't show it on Sundays IF they put it
in the contract and you
Signed it , either on the internet or on an order form

You should do whatever you can to AVOID signing something but if it is
required you are kind of
screwed

On 9/14/06 10:18 AM, "Susan Albrecht" <albrechs@wabash.edu> wrote:

Hey, everyone.

I'd love to know what you all think of this. A well-respected (by me,
too!) company from whom I've purchased many times in the past has always
had a distinction between college/corporate use and public library/high
school use in its pricing. This I know is their perogative, because
it's simple price tiering with no kind of claim made about usage needs.

However. Now there is a "home video" option at, not surprisingly, a
lower price yet. Here's the warning one gets when one puts such an item
in one's cart:

HOME VIDEO - program comes with a warning against classroom use
periodically during the program - more information=20

The "more information" link provides this:

Home video purchasers may use the videos in non-institutional contexts
only. At two points during home video videocassettes script will appear
over the image stating that this videocassette has been purchased for
home use only and may not be used in class, circulated in an
institutional library or be exhibited to the general public.=20

Now, I just don't think this can be done. Once a "home use" option has
been offered up, it's fair game for libraries whose collections are used
only for 1) individual checkout or 2) classroom use. WE DON'T NEED PPR
in our case, because this will be used in only those two ways I've just
mentioned, and we are COVERED by the face-to-face teaching exemption.
Or is the insertion of this script in the video supposed to act as a
"contract" between seller & buyer?

Am I wrong to feel justified in purchasing the "Home Video" option?

Susan at Wabash College

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Susan Albrecht

Acquisitions Coordinator

Wabash College Lilly Library

Crawfordsville, IN

x6216

albrechs@wabash.edu

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Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
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Jessica Rosner
Kino International
333 W 39th St. 503
NY NY 10018
jrosner@kino.com
212-629-6880

Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley
ghandman@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We have been forced into purchasing =
some
materials sort of like this&#8212;we tried to buy the home video version =
from a
vendor and the distributor refused to sell =
it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Then when we tried to order from =
the
distributor, we received a license agreement and a greatly inflated =
price that
was &#8220;required&#8221; before they would ship the film&#8230;.since =
we
needed the film for teaching (our institution&#8217;s highest priority), =
we bit
the bullet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sarah =
Andrews<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>University of Iowa =
Libraries<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu =
[mailto:owner-videolib@lists.berkeley.edu] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gary Handman<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
14, 2006
11:04 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Videolib] =
Would like
your thoughts on this one</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Seems this is a contractual (not a legal) situation:&nbsp; the =
company
is putting forward conditions for sale and use and the user, in buying, =
agrees
to the contact.&nbsp;&nbsp; The whole HOME VIDEO issue is just a weird
smokescreen...<br>
<br>
I wouldn't do business with these guys, or if I did, I read em the riot =
act
before I did.<br>
<br>
Gary Handman<br>
<br>
<br>
At 08:36 AM 9/14/2006, you wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Any legal tape can be =
used&nbsp;
for legitimate classroom instruction ( as opposed to an open showing on =
campus)<br>
Just curious is the company in question the sole provider of said =
items<br>
Actually they must be given that they can put a disclaimer on the DVD =
so&nbsp;
I guess the manufactuar it themselves<br>
<br>
The only &#8220;trick&#8221; will be that I assume you will have to get =
someone
else to make the purchase as they would be <br>
Likely to reject one coming from them.<br>
<br>
There is however one BIG problem if they REQUIRE you to agree in order =
to
purchase the title. For instance if you are ordering on line and up =
pops<br>
Something that says &#8220; you agree to abide by our terms and
conditions&#8221; and it lists the restriction it would<br>
In fact become a contract and a contract WOULD trump copyright law<br>
<br>
Basically if the seller REQUIRES the buyer to &#8220;sign&#8221; off in =
some
way they can add these restrictions<br>
They could also say that you couldn&#8217;t show&nbsp; it on Sundays IF =
they
put it in the contract and you<br>
Signed it , either on the internet or on an order form<br>
<br>
You should do whatever you can to AVOID signing something but if it is =
required
you are kind of<br>
screwed<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/14/06 10:18 AM, &quot;Susan Albrecht&quot; =
&lt;albrechs@wabash.edu&gt;
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Hey, everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I'd love to know what you all think of =
this.&nbsp; A
well-respected (by me, too!) company from whom I've purchased many times =
in the
past has always had a distinction between college/corporate use and =
public
library/high school use in its pricing.&nbsp; This I know is their =
perogative,
because it's simple price tiering with no kind of claim made about usage =
needs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>However.&nbsp; Now there is a &quot;home =
video&quot;
option at, not surprisingly, a lower price yet.&nbsp; Here's the warning =
one
gets when one puts such an item in one's =
cart:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>HOME
VIDEO - program comes with a warning against classroom use periodically =
during
the program - more information </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The &quot;more information&quot; link =
provides this:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:navy'>Home video purchasers may use the videos in =
non-institutional
contexts only. At two points during home video videocassettes script =
will
appear over the image stating that this videocassette has been purchased =
for
home use only and may not be used in class, circulated in an =
institutional
library or be exhibited to the general public. =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Now, I just =
don't think
this can be done.&nbsp; Once a &quot;home use&quot; option has been =
offered up,
it's fair game for libraries whose collections are used only for 1) =
individual
checkout or 2) classroom use.&nbsp; WE DON'T NEED PPR in our case, =
because this
will be used in only those two ways I've just mentioned, and we are =
COVERED by
the face-to-face teaching exemption.&nbsp; Or is the insertion of this =
script
in the video supposed to act as a &quot;contract&quot; between seller =
&amp;
buyer?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Am I wrong to =
feel
justified in purchasing the &quot;Home Video&quot; =
option?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Susan at =
<st1:place
w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Wabash</st1:PlaceName> =
<st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Susan =
Albrecht<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Acquisitions =
Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D3 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Verdana'>Wabash</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-family:Verdana'> <st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">College</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><font
face=3DVerdana><span style=3D'font-family:Verdana'> Lilly =
Library<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:City
w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D3 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Verdana'>Crawfordsville</span></font></st1:City><font =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-family:Verdana'>, <st1:State =
w:st=3D"on">IN</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font
face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-family:Verdana'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>x6216<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>&quot;If you choose not =
to decide,
you still have made a choice.&quot;--Neil =
Peart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
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<br>
<br>
<br>
Proud Resident of a <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName =
w:st=3D"on">BLUE</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">STATE</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
&nbsp;<br>
Jessica Rosner<br>
Kino International<br>
<st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">333 W 39th =
St.</st1:address></st1:Street>
503<br>
NY NY 10018<br>
jrosner@kino.com<br>
212-629-6880<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p></x-sigsep><font size=3D3 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><x-sigsep>Gary Handman<br>
Director<br>
<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Media</st1:PlaceName> =
<st1:PlaceName
w:st=3D"on">Resources</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
Moffitt Library<br>
UC Berkeley<br>
ghandman@library.berkeley.edu<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC" =
eudora=3Dautourl>http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC<br>
<br>
</a>*****<br>
<br>
&quot;In societies where modern conditions of production prevail,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; all of life
presents itself as an immense accumulation of spectacles.&quot;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
--Guy Debord </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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