[Videolib] Re: Videolib Digest, Vol 920, Issue 4

Theresa Arroyo (tarroyo@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:39:17 -0500

Midwest Tapes is pretty reasonable...
Theresa Arroyo
HHH Community Library
Dix Hills, NY
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> 1. Re: Vendors that give reduced pricing for replacement
> copies of damage/lost/stolen VHS or DVDs (Jessica Rosner)
> 2. Re: Distributors who offer iPod downloads? (Brigid Duffy)
> 3. Re: ISBN #s (Marlene Graham)
> 4. Re: Distributors who offer iPod downloads? (Marlene Graham)
> 5. Re: ISBN #s (Jessica Rosner)
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> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:59:54 -0500
> From: Jessica Rosner <jrosner@kino.com>
> To: <videolib@library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Vendors that give reduced pricing for replacement
> copies of damage/lost/stolen VHS or DVDs
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> I am pretty sure this would be obvious but this sort of thing would only
> apply to high end
> educational titles that are frankly expensive. Since our stuff retails
for
> $30 or less this is not really an issue
> Unless of course the title arrives damaged.
>
>
> On 3/24/06 1:43 PM, "Brewer, Michael" <brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu>
wrote:
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> > All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a list of vendors/distributors, etc. who give a
discount for
> > second copies or for replacements for damaged, lost or stolen copies of
their
> > VHS or DVDs that a library (or other institution) has previously
purchased? I
> > seem to remember that Bullfrog films does this (25 dollars replacement
cost),
> > but am not sure if there are others that offer this (either for a range
of the
> > films that sell, or for all of them). If anyone has a list, could they
please
> > reply? Also, if any of the vendors, makers or distributors offer this
feature
> > to libraries (or others), I would like to hear from you. I expect this
may be
> > of interest to others on the list, so please reply to the entire list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > mb
> >
> > Michael Brewer
> > Slavic Studies, German Studies & Media Arts Librarian
> > University of Arizona Library A210
> > 1510 E. University
> > P.O. Box 210055
> > Tucson, AZ 85721
> > Voice: 520.307.2771
> > Fax: 520.621.9733
> > brewerm@u.library.arizona.edu
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
>
> Jessica Rosner
> Kino International
> 333 W 39th St. 503
> NY NY 10018
> jrosner@kino.com
> 212-629-6880
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> On 3/24/06 1:43 PM, &quot;Brewer, Michael&quot;
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> heir VHS or DVDs that a library (or other institution) has previously
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> a list, could they please reply? &nbsp;Also, if any of the vendors, makers
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> r distributors offer this feature to libraries (or others), I would like
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> hear from you. &nbsp;I expect this may be of interest to others on the
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> Thanks, <BR>
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> "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:9.0px'>Michael Brewer<BR>
> Slavic Studies, German Studies &amp; Media Arts Librarian<BR>
> University of Arizona Library A210<BR>
> 1510 E. University<BR>
> P.O. Box 210055<BR>
> Tucson, AZ 85721<BR>
> Voice: 520.307.2771<BR>
> Fax: 520.621.9733<BR>
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> Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE<BR>
> &nbsp;<BR>
> Jessica Rosner<BR>
> Kino International<BR>
> 333 W 39th St. 503<BR>
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> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:57:02 -0800
> From: Brigid Duffy <bduffy@sfsu.edu>
> To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Distributors who offer iPod downloads?
> Message-ID: <BE563493-BB78-11DA-B83D-000A95A16452@sfsu.edu>
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> Check the Apple website link,=20
> http://www.apple.com/education/solutions/podcasting/ - all about=20
> podcasts in education.
>
> Brigid Duffy
> Media Acquisitions
> Academic Technology
> San Francisco State University
> San Francisco, CA 94132-4200
> E-mail: bduffy@sfsu.edu
>
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2006, at 09:26 AM, Threatt, Monique L wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Media has been tasked to teach a workshop on podcasting to
interested=20=
>
> > faculty and professional staff -- from a library point-of-view.=A0
> >
> > I want to be able to list media distributors who currently offer
iPod=20=
>
> > downloads.=A0 To my knowledge, and I've not completed a detailed =
> search,=20
> > Film Ideas is the only company to offer iPod downloads at this
time.=A0=20=
>
> > Although, I understand there are select television shows and feature=20=
>
> > films available through the iPod software, etc.=A0 I'm not an iPod =
> user=20
> > yet, but nearly every student that comes to the Information Commons=20
> > has a iPod headset stuck in his/her ears.=A0=A0 The newer iPods have =
> some=20
> > pretty amazing features, such as you can copy your PowerPoint=20
> > presentation to the iPod and play it back on a TV as long as you
have=20=
>
> > a 3-plug av cable.=A0 You can't change the presentation once it's =
> placed=20
> > on the iPod, but if you loose your disk, or you can't get an
internet=20=
>
> > connection at some conference, then the iPod is a good backup.=A0 My=20=
>
> > point is, you can do a lot with iPods.
> >
> > Getting back to the real issue:
> >
> > Distributors -- would you mind letting the list know if you provide=20
> > iPod downloads, and the cost.
> >
> > Librarians, etc. --=A0 would you mind sharing your list if you have=20
> > compiled this information already.
> >
> > I hope this e-mail makes sense.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Monique
> >
> > *************************
> > Monique Threatt
> > Librarian for Media, and Communication & Culture
> > Herman B Wells Library, W121
> > Indiana University
> > Bloomington, IN=A0 47405
> > T:=A0=A0 (812) 855-9857
> > F:=A0 (812) 855-1649
> > E:=A0 mthreatt@indiana.edu
> >
>
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> Check the Apple website link,
> http://www.apple.com/education/solutions/podcasting/ - all about
> podcasts in education.
>
>
> Brigid Duffy
>
> Media Acquisitions
>
> Academic Technology
>
> San Francisco State University
>
> San Francisco, CA 94132-4200
>
> E-mail: bduffy@sfsu.edu
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2006, at 09:26 AM, Threatt, Monique L wrote:
>
>
> =
>
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>
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>
>
> =
>
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> er>I
> want to be able to list media distributors who currently offer iPod
> downloads.=A0 To my knowledge, and I've not completed a detailed search,
> Film Ideas is the only company to offer iPod downloads at this time.=A0
> Although, I understand there are select television shows and feature
> films available through the iPod software, etc.=A0 I'm not an iPod user
> yet, but nearly every student that comes to the Information Commons
> has a iPod headset stuck in his/her ears.=A0=A0 The newer iPods have =
> some
> pretty amazing features, such as you can copy your PowerPoint
> presentation to the iPod and play it back on a TV as long as you have
> a 3-plug av cable.=A0 You can't change the presentation once it's placed
> on the iPod, but if you loose your disk, or you can't get an internet
> connection at some conference, then the iPod is a good backup.=A0 My
> point is, you can do a lot with iPods.</smaller></color></fontfamily>
>
>
> =
>
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> back to the real issue:</smaller></color></fontfamily>
>
>
> =
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> er>Distributors
> -- would you mind letting the list know if you provide iPod downloads,
> and the cost.</smaller></color></fontfamily>
>
>
> =
>
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> er>Librarians,
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> information already.</smaller></color></fontfamily>
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>
> =
>
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> hope this e-mail makes sense.</smaller></color></fontfamily>
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>
> =
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> er>Thanks,
>
> Monique</smaller></color></fontfamily>
>
>
> <italic><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>*************************
>
> </fontfamily></italic><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Monique
> Threatt
>
> Librarian for Media, and Communication & Culture
>
> Herman B Wells Library, W121
>
> Indiana University
>
> Bloomington, IN=A0 47405
>
> T:=A0=A0 (812) 855-9857
>
> F:=A0 (812) 855-1649
>
> E:=A0 mthreatt@indiana.edu</smaller></fontfamily>
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>
> </excerpt>=
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> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:10:06 -0500
> From: Marlene Graham <mgraham@york.cuny.edu>
> To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] ISBN #s
> Message-ID: <20060324161006.4uzwzetfokow8oso@mail.york.cuny.edu>
> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060324121528.0498c008@spa8.mail.yale.edu>
> References: <20060323094446.ah3rur4vqoogso0w@mail.york.cuny.edu>
> <C04849A6.1AC3%jrosner@kino.com>
> <6.2.1.2.2.20060323140724.01f49808@spa8.mail.yale.edu>
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> FYI for distributors. It's a cheaper route to get UPC barcodes but the
> distributor still has to pay a fee to join the UCC (Uniform Code Council).
> The organization that issues the barcodes.
>
>
> Marlene Graham
> Media Resources Manager
> York College
> The City University of New York
> Center for Academic Computing and Education Technology
> Academic Core Building, 4G02A
> 94-20 Guy R. Brewer Blvd.
> Jamaica, NY 11451
> Phone: 718-262-2753
> Fax: 718-262-2114
> mgraham@york.cuny.edu
>
>
>
> Quoting Stephanie Andrew <stephanie.andrew@yale.edu>:
>
> > These numbers, which seem to be the UPC printed on Kino packages, do
> > work fine as a numerical search on OCLC, though the search has to be
> > sn: (standard no.) rather than bn: (ISBN) Does anyone on the list
> > regularly use these? Is a UPC search just as likely/even more likely
> > to work than an ISBN? (Though I think catalogers haven't been as
> > careful to include the 024 UPC as they are the 020.) Now that almost
> > everything sold has a UPC, does someone know what Bowker's ISBN
> > really adds?
> >
> > At 10:41 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote:
> >> Kino does indeed have ISBNs. I just checked in OCLC, searching on
> >> Kino as publisher, visual format, and a date range of 2004-06. I
> >> found 12 records for 2006, 89 for 2005, and 142 for 2004. Very few
> >> of these lacked ISBNs, and some of these are some other company that
> >> happens to have Kino as part of its name.
> >> In fact, all of the ISBNs were the new 13-digit type ... which tells
> >> me that OCLC has taken the 10-digit ISBN in MARC field 020 and
> >> converted it to a 13-digit ISBN in MARC field 024. There is
> >> probably an algorithm built into the 020 that looks at the check
> >> digit and identifies ISBNs with errors. And OCLC probably wants to
> >> keep that algorithm intact, rather than also make it work for the
> >> 13-digit ISBN.
> >> Apparently Kino's prefix is 7383290. The remaining 6 digits that
> >> follow are basically an accession number, which parallels the Kino
> >> product number (e.g. ISBN 738329044121 = Kino #441). In those
> >> instances where Kino is distributing titles for KimStim, the prefix
> >> is 6984522, again with the remaining 6 digits being accession
> >> numbers which match the KimStim product numbers (e.g. 698452202136 =
> >> Kim Stim #KS2021).
> >> So, the ISBNs are coming from somewhere. I assume that someone at
> >> Kino must be assigning them, because when OCLC member libraries
> >> catalog these materials, the ISBN is on the package. I, too, think
> >> that an ISBN is critical to the identification of an item.
> >> Non-library folks probably don't appreciate its value. Very
> >> interesting discussion, though. I never realized that publishers
> >> had to pay for them. So that's how Bowker makes their money!
> >>
> >> Stephanie Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >>> In fact, New Yorker, Wellspring, Koch Lorber, and Wellspring are
> >>> among the imprints who do have ISBNs. Kino, Milestone, WMM, and CA
> >>> Newsreel are among those that don't. Very occasionally, I've run
> >>> into a big distributor title which doesn't have one.
> >>>
> >>> Someone undoubtedly knows the statistics, but I think most library
> >>> workers looking for recent materials routinely first search OCLC,
> >>> etc. by ISBN. It's much more likely to bring up a single, matching
> >>> record than a title search does. And ordering by ISBN instead of
> >>> title makes it easier to specify and get a particular edition of a
> >>> title which has different editions. Collectively, the ISBN system
> >>> has saved lots of library time and money. It was, and is, a good
> >>> idea.
> >>>
> >>> Stephanie Andrew
> >>> Film Study Center
> >>> Yale University
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 12:48 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It seems that some of our older films ( DAUGHTERS OF THE DUST,
> >>>> COME AND SEE)
> >>>> have them but most newer ones don't. I am afraid this is not anything
we
> >>>> would pursue or pay for on our own so I assume most of our films will
not
> >>>> have them. I would be surprised if companies like New Yorker,
Wellspring,
> >>>> Koch Lorber etc have them either but I don't really know.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/23/06 9:44 AM, "Marlene Graham" <mgraham@york.cuny.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Jessica
> >>>> >
> >>>> > FYI, I noted that a Kino title listed in the New York Public
Library
> >>>> > database does not have an ISBN number. What it has is a Dynix
> >>>> number that
> >>>> > was assigned by the library.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > At Cinema Guild and Third World Newsreel where I was the
distribution
> >>>> > director they purchase and assign ISBN numbers.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Cheers,
> >>>> > Marlene
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Marlene Graham (aka Afua Kafi-Akua)
> >>>> > Media Resources Manager
> >>>> > York College
> >>>> > The City University of New York
> >>>> > Center for Academic Computing and Education Technology
> >>>> > Academic Core Building, 4G02A
> >>>> > 94-20 Guy R. Brewer Blvd.
> >>>> > Jamaica, NY 11451
> >>>> > Phone: 718-262-2753
> >>>> > Fax: 718-262-2114
> >>>> > mgraham@york.cuny.edu
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Quoting jrosner@kino.com:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Sorry I realize I am so out of the loop on this I was confusing
them
> >>>> >> with OCLC numbers or records. We definately don't pay for ISBN
> >>>> >> numbers in fact
> >>>> >> our video dept has never heard of them. I suppose that means our
> >>>> >> titles do not
> >>>> >> have them but I really don't know. It has honestly never come
> >>>> up at all.
> >>>> >> I know that various wholesalers buy our stuff and resell it
> >>>> pre-catalogued
> >>>> >> but am totally clueless as to if that means that they get them
ISBN
> >>>> >> numbers or they don't have them.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Quoting Herownword@aol.com:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>> Thanks to all who have responded (and to future responders as
> >>>> >>> well!). I'm a
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> big fan of ISBNs and have put them on all the work we have
> >>>> >>> published/released since 1989 (and retroactively to the ones
> >>>> we produced
> >>>> >>> 1986-1988). I have
> >>>> >>> every intention of continuing to assign ISBNs to all new
> >>>> releases, but have
> >>>> >>> run into a roadblock, as I mentioned. Here is what I have
> >>>> learned so far:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> 1. Bowker is indeed the only agency that can assign ISBNs in
> >>>> the US and
> >>>> >>> since it is a monopoly it can and does charge big bucks. (As
> >>>> an aside,
> >>>> >>> ISBNs in
> >>>> >>> Canada appear to be free.)
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> 2. ISBNs have traditionally been 10 digits (as are the ones I
> >>>> currently
> >>>> >>> use). As of January of 2007, a new 13-digit ISBN system will go
> >>>> into
> >>>> >>> effect. I
> >>>> >>> haven't called Bowker back yet, but my hunch is that it's
because
> >>>> >>> the entire
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> numbering system is being modified that I can't keep my old
prefix.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> 3. Because each prefix is a technical number that denotes
> >>>> first of all the
> >>>> >>> country of origin and second of all the particular publisher,
it's
> >>>> >>> much more
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> convenient and less error-prone for a publisher to have the
> >>>> same prefix for
> >>>> >>> all titles. (To put this in perspective, the current 10-digit
system
> >>>> >>> consists
> >>>> >>> of 7 digits of prefix and only 3 of suffix that changes with each
> >>>> >>> title.)The
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> issue for smaller publishers is that Bowker sells ISBNs in blocks
of
> >>>> >>> numbers
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> and you can only get a consistent prefix when you purchase that
> >>>> particular
> >>>> >>> block; you can't go back and get more numbers for that prefix.
The
> >>>> >>> smaller,
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> more affordable blocks are much more expensive per number than
> >>>> the larger
> >>>> >>> blocks and also involve changing prefixes as time goes by.
Larger
> >>>> >>> publishers of
> >>>> >>> course just purchase an initial block of 100 or 1,000 or
> >>>> 10,000 ISBNs and
> >>>> >>> then they have the right to use those numbers, all with the same
> >>>> >>> prefix, far
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> into the foreseeable future. (As another aside, I came
> >>>> across a website
> >>>> >>> that
> >>>> >>> suggested that in the future book and media reviewers will be
able to
> >>>> >>> discern
> >>>> >>> the size of a publishing/media house by its ISBN; as far as I
> >>>> know, that's
> >>>> >>> not possible now.)
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> 4. The tooth fairy doesn't put ISBNs under your pillow,
> >>>> Jessica. Somebody
> >>>> >>> somewhere is in charge of assigning them to your titles. The
> >>>> ones you
> >>>> >>> distribute that are produced by others would, of course, come
> >>>> with ISBNs
> >>>> >>> already
> >>>> >>> assigned (and with a variety of prefixes, one for each
> >>>> publisher). But for
> >>>> >>> any
> >>>> >>> that Kino actually publishes, someone on your staff (or
> >>>> possibly an outside
> >>>> >>> contractor like a copyright/permissions professional or
> >>>> lawyer) assigns the
> >>>> >>> ISBN.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> So, there you have it. I'll probably bite the bullet and
> >>>> purchase a pricey
> >>>> >>> block of ISBNs, but then, I've been in business for 20 years.
> >>>> It does seem
> >>>> >>> to me unfortunate that a system is evolving that greatly
disadvantages
> >>>> >>> startup
> >>>> >>> and micro publishers. The ISBN system is fabulous; it's just
> >>>> too bad that
> >>>> >>> the US ISBN price system is structured the way it is.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Many thanks again for this listserv.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Jocelyn Riley
> >>>> >>> HerOwnWords.com
> >>>> >>> NontraditionalCareers.com
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>
> >>>> Jessica Rosner
> >>>> Kino International
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> >>>> jrosner@kino.com
> >>>> 212-629-6880
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> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:38:07 -0500
> From: Marlene Graham <mgraham@york.cuny.edu>
> To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Distributors who offer iPod downloads?
> Message-ID: <20060324163807.be8ujsso848k8kkc@mail.york.cuny.edu>
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> I recently left a company Antenna Audio that offers several audio
downloads
> for IPODs and other MP3 players. They produce audio tours for museums,
> universities and city audio tours and have made some of their audio tours
> available on their website www.antennaaudio.com and also have partnered
> with Audible.com and have many more of their audio tours available for
> purchase from Audible.com and ITunes.
>
> Marlene Graham (aka Afua Kafi-Akua)
> Media Resources Manager
> York College
> The City University of New York
> Center for Academic Computing and Education Technology
> Academic Core Building, 4G02A
> 94-20 Guy R. Brewer Blvd.
> Jamaica, NY 11451
> Phone: 718-262-2753
> Fax: 718-262-2114
> mgraham@york.cuny.edu
>
> am
> Media Resources Manager
> York College
> The City University of New York
> Center for Academic Computing and Education Technology
> Academic Core Building, 4G02A
> 94-20 Guy R. Brewer Blvd.
> Jamaica, NY 11451
> Phone: 718-262-2753
> Fax: 718-262-2114
> mgraham@york.cuny.edu
>
>
>
> Quoting "Threatt, Monique L" <mthreatt@indiana.edu>:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Media has been tasked to teach a workshop on podcasting to interested
> > faculty and professional staff -- from a library point-of-view.
> >
> > I want to be able to list media distributors who currently offer iPod
> > downloads. To my knowledge, and I've not completed a detailed search,
> > Film Ideas is the only company to offer iPod downloads at this time.
> > Although, I understand there are select television shows and feature
> > films available through the iPod software, etc. I'm not an iPod user
> > yet, but nearly every student that comes to the Information Commons has
> > a iPod headset stuck in his/her ears. The newer iPods have some pretty
> > amazing features, such as you can copy your PowerPoint presentation to
> > the iPod and play it back on a TV as long as you have a 3-plug av cable.
> > You can't change the presentation once it's placed on the iPod, but if
> > you loose your disk, or you can't get an internet connection at some
> > conference, then the iPod is a good backup. My point is, you can do a
> > lot with iPods.
> >
> > Getting back to the real issue:
> >
> > Distributors -- would you mind letting the list know if you provide iPod
> > downloads, and the cost.
> >
> > Librarians, etc. -- would you mind sharing your list if you have
> > compiled this information already.
> >
> > I hope this e-mail makes sense.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Monique
> >
> > *************************
> > Monique Threatt
> > Librarian for Media, and Communication & Culture
> > Herman B Wells Library, W121
> > Indiana University
> > Bloomington, IN 47405
> > T: (812) 855-9857
> > F: (812) 855-1649
> > E: mthreatt@indiana.edu
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:02:13 -0500
> From: Jessica Rosner <jrosner@kino.com>
> To: <videolib@library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] ISBN #s
> Message-ID: <C049D695.1BA0%jrosner@kino.com>
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> Well those WE HAVE to have.
> FYI our video guy says he has vaguely heard of ISBN numbers but was not
> really sure
> What they were for or why would want them. For him it is all UPC codes
>
>
> On 3/24/06 4:10 PM, "Marlene Graham" <mgraham@york.cuny.edu> wrote:
>
> > FYI for distributors. It's a cheaper route to get UPC barcodes but the
> > distributor still has to pay a fee to join the UCC (Uniform Code
Council).
> > The organization that issues the barcodes.
> >
> >
> > Marlene Graham
> > Media Resources Manager
> > York College
> > The City University of New York
> > Center for Academic Computing and Education Technology
> > Academic Core Building, 4G02A
> > 94-20 Guy R. Brewer Blvd.
> > Jamaica, NY 11451
> > Phone: 718-262-2753
> > Fax: 718-262-2114
> > mgraham@york.cuny.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Stephanie Andrew <stephanie.andrew@yale.edu>:
> >
> >> These numbers, which seem to be the UPC printed on Kino packages, do
> >> work fine as a numerical search on OCLC, though the search has to be
> >> sn: (standard no.) rather than bn: (ISBN) Does anyone on the list
> >> regularly use these? Is a UPC search just as likely/even more likely
> >> to work than an ISBN? (Though I think catalogers haven't been as
> >> careful to include the 024 UPC as they are the 020.) Now that almost
> >> everything sold has a UPC, does someone know what Bowker's ISBN
> >> really adds?
> >>
> >> At 10:41 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote:
> >>> Kino does indeed have ISBNs. I just checked in OCLC, searching on
> >>> Kino as publisher, visual format, and a date range of 2004-06. I
> >>> found 12 records for 2006, 89 for 2005, and 142 for 2004. Very few
> >>> of these lacked ISBNs, and some of these are some other company that
> >>> happens to have Kino as part of its name.
> >>> In fact, all of the ISBNs were the new 13-digit type ... which tells
> >>> me that OCLC has taken the 10-digit ISBN in MARC field 020 and
> >>> converted it to a 13-digit ISBN in MARC field 024. There is
> >>> probably an algorithm built into the 020 that looks at the check
> >>> digit and identifies ISBNs with errors. And OCLC probably wants to
> >>> keep that algorithm intact, rather than also make it work for the
> >>> 13-digit ISBN.
> >>> Apparently Kino's prefix is 7383290. The remaining 6 digits that
> >>> follow are basically an accession number, which parallels the Kino
> >>> product number (e.g. ISBN 738329044121 = Kino #441). In those
> >>> instances where Kino is distributing titles for KimStim, the prefix
> >>> is 6984522, again with the remaining 6 digits being accession
> >>> numbers which match the KimStim product numbers (e.g. 698452202136 =
> >>> Kim Stim #KS2021).
> >>> So, the ISBNs are coming from somewhere. I assume that someone at
> >>> Kino must be assigning them, because when OCLC member libraries
> >>> catalog these materials, the ISBN is on the package. I, too, think
> >>> that an ISBN is critical to the identification of an item.
> >>> Non-library folks probably don't appreciate its value. Very
> >>> interesting discussion, though. I never realized that publishers
> >>> had to pay for them. So that's how Bowker makes their money!
> >>>
> >>> Stephanie Andrew wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In fact, New Yorker, Wellspring, Koch Lorber, and Wellspring are
> >>>> among the imprints who do have ISBNs. Kino, Milestone, WMM, and CA
> >>>> Newsreel are among those that don't. Very occasionally, I've run
> >>>> into a big distributor title which doesn't have one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone undoubtedly knows the statistics, but I think most library
> >>>> workers looking for recent materials routinely first search OCLC,
> >>>> etc. by ISBN. It's much more likely to bring up a single, matching
> >>>> record than a title search does. And ordering by ISBN instead of
> >>>> title makes it easier to specify and get a particular edition of a
> >>>> title which has different editions. Collectively, the ISBN system
> >>>> has saved lots of library time and money. It was, and is, a good
> >>>> idea.
> >>>>
> >>>> Stephanie Andrew
> >>>> Film Study Center
> >>>> Yale University
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 12:48 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It seems that some of our older films ( DAUGHTERS OF THE DUST,
> >>>>> COME AND SEE)
> >>>>> have them but most newer ones don't. I am afraid this is not
anything we
> >>>>> would pursue or pay for on our own so I assume most of our films
will not
> >>>>> have them. I would be surprised if companies like New Yorker,
Wellspring,
> >>>>> Koch Lorber etc have them either but I don't really know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/23/06 9:44 AM, "Marlene Graham" <mgraham@york.cuny.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Jessica
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> FYI, I noted that a Kino title listed in the New York Public
Library
> >>>>>> database does not have an ISBN number. What it has is a Dynix
> >>>>> number that
> >>>>>> was assigned by the library.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At Cinema Guild and Third World Newsreel where I was the
distribution
> >>>>>> director they purchase and assign ISBN numbers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Marlene
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Marlene Graham (aka Afua Kafi-Akua)
> >>>>>> Media Resources Manager
> >>>>>> York College
> >>>>>> The City University of New York
> >>>>>> Center for Academic Computing and Education Technology
> >>>>>> Academic Core Building, 4G02A
> >>>>>> 94-20 Guy R. Brewer Blvd.
> >>>>>> Jamaica, NY 11451
> >>>>>> Phone: 718-262-2753
> >>>>>> Fax: 718-262-2114
> >>>>>> mgraham@york.cuny.edu
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Quoting jrosner@kino.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sorry I realize I am so out of the loop on this I was confusing
them
> >>>>>>> with OCLC numbers or records. We definately don't pay for ISBN
> >>>>>>> numbers in fact
> >>>>>>> our video dept has never heard of them. I suppose that means our
> >>>>>>> titles do not
> >>>>>>> have them but I really don't know. It has honestly never come
> >>>>> up at all.
> >>>>>>> I know that various wholesalers buy our stuff and resell it
> >>>>> pre-catalogued
> >>>>>>> but am totally clueless as to if that means that they get them
ISBN
> >>>>>>> numbers or they don't have them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Quoting Herownword@aol.com:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks to all who have responded (and to future responders as
> >>>>>>>> well!). I'm a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> big fan of ISBNs and have put them on all the work we have
> >>>>>>>> published/released since 1989 (and retroactively to the ones
> >>>>> we produced
> >>>>>>>> 1986-1988). I have
> >>>>>>>> every intention of continuing to assign ISBNs to all new
> >>>>> releases, but have
> >>>>>>>> run into a roadblock, as I mentioned. Here is what I have
> >>>>> learned so far:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1. Bowker is indeed the only agency that can assign ISBNs in
> >>>>> the US and
> >>>>>>>> since it is a monopoly it can and does charge big bucks. (As
> >>>>> an aside,
> >>>>>>>> ISBNs in
> >>>>>>>> Canada appear to be free.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2. ISBNs have traditionally been 10 digits (as are the ones I
> >>>>> currently
> >>>>>>>> use). As of January of 2007, a new 13-digit ISBN system will go
> >>>>> into
> >>>>>>>> effect. I
> >>>>>>>> haven't called Bowker back yet, but my hunch is that it's
because
> >>>>>>>> the entire
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> numbering system is being modified that I can't keep my old
prefix.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 3. Because each prefix is a technical number that denotes
> >>>>> first of all the
> >>>>>>>> country of origin and second of all the particular publisher,
it's
> >>>>>>>> much more
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> convenient and less error-prone for a publisher to have the
> >>>>> same prefix for
> >>>>>>>> all titles. (To put this in perspective, the current 10-digit
system
> >>>>>>>> consists
> >>>>>>>> of 7 digits of prefix and only 3 of suffix that changes with each
> >>>>>>>> title.)The
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> issue for smaller publishers is that Bowker sells ISBNs in blocks
of
> >>>>>>>> numbers
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and you can only get a consistent prefix when you purchase that
> >>>>> particular
> >>>>>>>> block; you can't go back and get more numbers for that prefix.
The
> >>>>>>>> smaller,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> more affordable blocks are much more expensive per number than
> >>>>> the larger
> >>>>>>>> blocks and also involve changing prefixes as time goes by.
Larger
> >>>>>>>> publishers of
> >>>>>>>> course just purchase an initial block of 100 or 1,000 or
> >>>>> 10,000 ISBNs and
> >>>>>>>> then they have the right to use those numbers, all with the same
> >>>>>>>> prefix, far
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> into the foreseeable future. (As another aside, I came
> >>>>> across a website
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> suggested that in the future book and media reviewers will be
able to
> >>>>>>>> discern
> >>>>>>>> the size of a publishing/media house by its ISBN; as far as I
> >>>>> know, that's
> >>>>>>>> not possible now.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 4. The tooth fairy doesn't put ISBNs under your pillow,
> >>>>> Jessica. Somebody
> >>>>>>>> somewhere is in charge of assigning them to your titles. The
> >>>>> ones you
> >>>>>>>> distribute that are produced by others would, of course, come
> >>>>> with ISBNs
> >>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>> assigned (and with a variety of prefixes, one for each
> >>>>> publisher). But for
> >>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>> that Kino actually publishes, someone on your staff (or
> >>>>> possibly an outside
> >>>>>>>> contractor like a copyright/permissions professional or
> >>>>> lawyer) assigns the
> >>>>>>>> ISBN.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, there you have it. I'll probably bite the bullet and
> >>>>> purchase a pricey
> >>>>>>>> block of ISBNs, but then, I've been in business for 20 years.
> >>>>> It does seem
> >>>>>>>> to me unfortunate that a system is evolving that greatly
disadvantages
> >>>>>>>> startup
> >>>>>>>> and micro publishers. The ISBN system is fabulous; it's just
> >>>>> too bad that
> >>>>>>>> the US ISBN price system is structured the way it is.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Many thanks again for this listserv.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jocelyn Riley
> >>>>>>>> HerOwnWords.com
> >>>>>>>> NontraditionalCareers.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jessica Rosner
> >>>>> Kino International
> >>>>> 333 W 39th St. 503
> >>>>> NY NY 10018
> >>>>> jrosner@kino.com
> >>>>> 212-629-6880
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>> Helen P. Mack, Acquisitions Librarian
> >>> Lehigh University, Fairchild Library
> >>> 8A E. Packer Ave.
> >>> Bethlehem, PA 18015-3170 USA
> >>>
> >>> Phone 610 758-3035 * Fax 610 758-5605
> >>> E-mail hpm0@lehigh.edu
> >>>
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> Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
>
> Jessica Rosner
> Kino International
> 333 W 39th St. 503
> NY NY 10018
> jrosner@kino.com
> 212-629-6880
>
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