On 3/23/06 3:07 PM, "Stephanie Andrew" <stephanie.andrew@yale.edu> wrote:
> In fact, New Yorker, Wellspring, Koch Lorber, and Wellspring are among the
> imprints who do have ISBNs. Kino, Milestone, WMM, and CA Newsreel are
> among those that don't. Very occasionally, I've run into a big distributor
> title which doesn't have one.
>
> Someone undoubtedly knows the statistics, but I think most library workers
> looking for recent materials routinely first search OCLC, etc. by
> ISBN. It's much more likely to bring up a single, matching record than a
> title search does. And ordering by ISBN instead of title makes it easier
> to specify and get a particular edition of a title which has different
> editions. Collectively, the ISBN system has saved lots of library time and
> money. It was, and is, a good idea.
>
> Stephanie Andrew
> Film Study Center
> Yale University
>
>
> At 12:48 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
>> It seems that some of our older films ( DAUGHTERS OF THE DUST, COME AND SEE)
>> have them but most newer ones don't. I am afraid this is not anything we
>> would pursue or pay for on our own so I assume most of our films will not
>> have them. I would be surprised if companies like New Yorker, Wellspring,
>> Koch Lorber etc have them either but I don't really know.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/23/06 9:44 AM, "Marlene Graham" <mgraham@york.cuny.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>> FYI, I noted that a Kino title listed in the New York Public Library
>>> database does not have an ISBN number. What it has is a Dynix number that
>>> was assigned by the library.
>>>
>>> At Cinema Guild and Third World Newsreel where I was the distribution
>>> director they purchase and assign ISBN numbers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Marlene
>>>
>>>
>>> Marlene Graham (aka Afua Kafi-Akua)
>>> Media Resources Manager
>>> York College
>>> The City University of New York
>>> Center for Academic Computing and Education Technology
>>> Academic Core Building, 4G02A
>>> 94-20 Guy R. Brewer Blvd.
>>> Jamaica, NY 11451
>>> Phone: 718-262-2753
>>> Fax: 718-262-2114
>>> mgraham@york.cuny.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting jrosner@kino.com:
>>>
>>>> Sorry I realize I am so out of the loop on this I was confusing them
>>>> with OCLC numbers or records. We definately don't pay for ISBN
>>>> numbers in fact
>>>> our video dept has never heard of them. I suppose that means our
>>>> titles do not
>>>> have them but I really don't know. It has honestly never come up at all.
>>>> I know that various wholesalers buy our stuff and resell it pre-catalogued
>>>> but am totally clueless as to if that means that they get them ISBN
>>>> numbers or they don't have them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Herownword@aol.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to all who have responded (and to future responders as
>>>>> well!). I'm a
>>>>>
>>>>> big fan of ISBNs and have put them on all the work we have
>>>>> published/released since 1989 (and retroactively to the ones we produced
>>>>> 1986-1988). I have
>>>>> every intention of continuing to assign ISBNs to all new releases,
>> but have
>>>>> run into a roadblock, as I mentioned. Here is what I have learned
>> so far:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Bowker is indeed the only agency that can assign ISBNs in the US and
>>>>> since it is a monopoly it can and does charge big bucks. (As an aside,
>>>>> ISBNs in
>>>>> Canada appear to be free.)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. ISBNs have traditionally been 10 digits (as are the ones I currently
>>>>> use). As of January of 2007, a new 13-digit ISBN system will go into
>>>>> effect. I
>>>>> haven't called Bowker back yet, but my hunch is that it's because
>>>>> the entire
>>>>>
>>>>> numbering system is being modified that I can't keep my old prefix.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Because each prefix is a technical number that denotes first
>> of all the
>>>>> country of origin and second of all the particular publisher, it's
>>>>> much more
>>>>>
>>>>> convenient and less error-prone for a publisher to have the same
>> prefix for
>>>>> all titles. (To put this in perspective, the current 10-digit system
>>>>> consists
>>>>> of 7 digits of prefix and only 3 of suffix that changes with each
>>>>> title.)The
>>>>>
>>>>> issue for smaller publishers is that Bowker sells ISBNs in blocks of
>>>>> numbers
>>>>>
>>>>> and you can only get a consistent prefix when you purchase
>> that particular
>>>>> block; you can't go back and get more numbers for that prefix. The
>>>>> smaller,
>>>>>
>>>>> more affordable blocks are much more expensive per number than
>> the larger
>>>>> blocks and also involve changing prefixes as time goes by. Larger
>>>>> publishers of
>>>>> course just purchase an initial block of 100 or 1,000 or 10,000
>> ISBNs and
>>>>> then they have the right to use those numbers, all with the same
>>>>> prefix, far
>>>>>
>>>>> into the foreseeable future. (As another aside, I came across a website
>>>>> that
>>>>> suggested that in the future book and media reviewers will be able to
>>>>> discern
>>>>> the size of a publishing/media house by its ISBN; as far as I know,
>> that's
>>>>> not possible now.)
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. The tooth fairy doesn't put ISBNs under your
>> pillow, Jessica. Somebody
>>>>> somewhere is in charge of assigning them to your titles. The ones you
>>>>> distribute that are produced by others would, of course, come with ISBNs
>>>>> already
>>>>> assigned (and with a variety of prefixes, one for each
>> publisher). But for
>>>>> any
>>>>> that Kino actually publishes, someone on your staff (or possibly an
>> outside
>>>>> contractor like a copyright/permissions professional or lawyer)
>> assigns the
>>>>> ISBN.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, there you have it. I'll probably bite the bullet and purchase
>> a pricey
>>>>> block of ISBNs, but then, I've been in business for 20
>> years. It does seem
>>>>> to me unfortunate that a system is evolving that greatly disadvantages
>>>>> startup
>>>>> and micro publishers. The ISBN system is fabulous; it's just too
>> bad that
>>>>> the US ISBN price system is structured the way it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks again for this listserv.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jocelyn Riley
>>>>> HerOwnWords.com
>>>>> NontraditionalCareers.com
>>>>
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>>
>> Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
>>
>> Jessica Rosner
>> Kino International
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