Re: [Videolib] ISBN #s

Jessica Rosner (jrosner@kino.com)
Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:48:08 -0500

That is odd. We certainly have no business will WalMart but certainly
Amazon, Borders etc. However we are really small and like I said the
Video dept who would presumably be effected had never even heard of them.

On 3/23/06 2:16 PM, "Mike Tribby" <mike.tribby@quality-books.com> wrote:

> A reason that many non-book materials carry ISBNs is to ease their handling
> in large retailers' systems. In some cases, Amazon notably, this can
> inadvertently lead to problems when updated material like new editions come
> into the system. Since this is an unlikely event in the commercial life of a
> DVD or VHS it's probably less of a concern for video vendors. Kino probably
> depends less on Amazon, WalMart, and their ilk for sales, so for Kino the
> ISBN blocks could be an easily eliminated cost factor.
>
> Many library ILS' rely on ISBNs as a matching point, but as Bryan pointed
> out earlier this is a potential problem because of the propensity of some
> vendors to re-use them. Since ISBNs belong to the publisher or vendor there
> is no ultimate control over how they are used like there would theoretically
> be with LCCNs or OCLC numbers.
>
>
>
> Mike Tribby
> Senior Cataloger
> Quality Books Inc.
> The Best of America's Independent Presses
>
> mailto:mike.tribby@quality-books.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jessica Rosner [mailto:jrosner@kino.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:49 AM
> To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] ISBN #s
>
>
> It seems that some of our older films ( DAUGHTERS OF THE DUST, COME AND SEE)
> have them but most newer ones don't. I am afraid this is not anything we
> would pursue or pay for on our own so I assume most of our films will not
> have them. I would be surprised if companies like New Yorker, Wellspring,
> Koch Lorber etc have them either but I don't really know.
>
>
>
> On 3/23/06 9:44 AM, "Marlene Graham" <mgraham@york.cuny.edu> wrote:
>
>> Jessica
>>
>> FYI, I noted that a Kino title listed in the New York Public Library
>> database does not have an ISBN number. What it has is a Dynix number that
>> was assigned by the library.
>>
>> At Cinema Guild and Third World Newsreel where I was the distribution
>> director they purchase and assign ISBN numbers.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Marlene
>>
>>
>> Marlene Graham (aka Afua Kafi-Akua)
>> Media Resources Manager
>> York College
>> The City University of New York
>> Center for Academic Computing and Education Technology
>> Academic Core Building, 4G02A
>> 94-20 Guy R. Brewer Blvd.
>> Jamaica, NY 11451
>> Phone: 718-262-2753
>> Fax: 718-262-2114
>> mgraham@york.cuny.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting jrosner@kino.com:
>>
>>> Sorry I realize I am so out of the loop on this I was confusing them
>>> with OCLC numbers or records. We definately don't pay for ISBN
>>> numbers in fact
>>> our video dept has never heard of them. I suppose that means our
>>> titles do not
>>> have them but I really don't know. It has honestly never come up at all.
>>> I know that various wholesalers buy our stuff and resell it
> pre-catalogued
>>> but am totally clueless as to if that means that they get them ISBN
>>> numbers or they don't have them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Herownword@aol.com:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to all who have responded (and to future responders as
>>>> well!). I'm a
>>>>
>>>> big fan of ISBNs and have put them on all the work we have
>>>> published/released since 1989 (and retroactively to the ones we produced
>>>> 1986-1988). I have
>>>> every intention of continuing to assign ISBNs to all new releases, but
> have
>>>> run into a roadblock, as I mentioned. Here is what I have learned so
> far:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Bowker is indeed the only agency that can assign ISBNs in the US
> and
>>>> since it is a monopoly it can and does charge big bucks. (As an aside,
>>>> ISBNs in
>>>> Canada appear to be free.)
>>>>
>>>> 2. ISBNs have traditionally been 10 digits (as are the ones I
> currently
>>>> use). As of January of 2007, a new 13-digit ISBN system will go into
>>>> effect. I
>>>> haven't called Bowker back yet, but my hunch is that it's because
>>>> the entire
>>>>
>>>> numbering system is being modified that I can't keep my old prefix.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Because each prefix is a technical number that denotes first of all
> the
>>>> country of origin and second of all the particular publisher, it's
>>>> much more
>>>>
>>>> convenient and less error-prone for a publisher to have the same prefix
> for
>>>> all titles. (To put this in perspective, the current 10-digit system
>>>> consists
>>>> of 7 digits of prefix and only 3 of suffix that changes with each
>>>> title.)The
>>>>
>>>> issue for smaller publishers is that Bowker sells ISBNs in blocks of
>>>> numbers
>>>>
>>>> and you can only get a consistent prefix when you purchase that
> particular
>>>> block; you can't go back and get more numbers for that prefix. The
>>>> smaller,
>>>>
>>>> more affordable blocks are much more expensive per number than the
> larger
>>>> blocks and also involve changing prefixes as time goes by. Larger
>>>> publishers of
>>>> course just purchase an initial block of 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 ISBNs
> and
>>>> then they have the right to use those numbers, all with the same
>>>> prefix, far
>>>>
>>>> into the foreseeable future. (As another aside, I came across a
> website
>>>> that
>>>> suggested that in the future book and media reviewers will be able to
>>>> discern
>>>> the size of a publishing/media house by its ISBN; as far as I know,
> that's
>>>> not possible now.)
>>>>
>>>> 4. The tooth fairy doesn't put ISBNs under your pillow, Jessica.
> Somebody
>>>> somewhere is in charge of assigning them to your titles. The ones you
>>>> distribute that are produced by others would, of course, come with
> ISBNs
>>>> already
>>>> assigned (and with a variety of prefixes, one for each publisher). But
> for
>>>> any
>>>> that Kino actually publishes, someone on your staff (or possibly an
> outside
>>>> contractor like a copyright/permissions professional or lawyer) assigns
> the
>>>> ISBN.
>>>>
>>>> So, there you have it. I'll probably bite the bullet and purchase a
> pricey
>>>> block of ISBNs, but then, I've been in business for 20 years. It does
> seem
>>>> to me unfortunate that a system is evolving that greatly disadvantages
>>>> startup
>>>> and micro publishers. The ISBN system is fabulous; it's just too bad
> that
>>>> the US ISBN price system is structured the way it is.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks again for this listserv.
>>>>
>>>> Jocelyn Riley
>>>> HerOwnWords.com
>>>> NontraditionalCareers.com
>>>
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Jessica Rosner
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