RE: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues

Thomas Ipri (ipri@lasalle.edu)
Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:43:37 -0500

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I have wondered the same thing about multiregion DVD players as well. I
have faculty who have asked me to get a multiregion player, but I have
always resisted because I've never seen a familiar vendor selling these.

It would be nice to have such a player since I can't afford to keep flying
the faculty to Europe...

Tom

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"M. Claire Stewart" <claire-stewart@northwestern.edu>
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RE: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues

Maybe someone can clarify a point for me about multiregion DVD players.

My understanding has always been that most of the multiregion DVD
players on the market have been cracked and modified by the
distributors; that they're not actually coming from the manufacturers
as multiregion. We've shied away from purchasing them for this
reason. Does this synch with everyone else, or no?

I agree wholeheartedly with Michael's point about fair use ... and I
know the entire works question has been hashed over several times on
this list recently but using the whole work does not necessarily
negate a fair use argument. I'm repeating the URL for Nimmer's
"Fairest of the fair..." article:
<
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/lcp/articles/lcp66dWinterSpring2003p263.htm
>
which includes a factor-by-factor analysis of 60 fair use cases. We
can clearly see that a determination that the use is unfair just on
the third factor (amount of the work) does not always dictate an
overall judgement against fair use and vice-versa. Kelly v. Arriba is
only one of several cases.

Claire

At 5:02 PM -0500 3/14/06, Evershed, Julie wrote:
>Cecilia,
>Here is what we use or have used in the past:
>
>Multistandard TV/VCR/DVD Sharp VT-21DV30S -there are issues with
>this player as it's default is region 3. See the following page:
><http://www.dvdtalk.com/rce.html>http://www.dvdtalk.com/rce.html
>There is also some interesting info on purchasing region free
>players on this page.
>
>
>Portable DVD Player multi system Polaroid PDV-0700
>
>Multi-Region DVD Sony DVP-S725D
>
>Samsung Multistandard VCR SU5000-W
>
>Multi-Standard VHS VCR Samsung SV-5000W
>
>Good Luck!
>Julie
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Julie Evershed ~ Information Specialist ~ Language Resource Center
>University of Michigan ~ 812 E. Washington Street ~ Ann Arbor, MI ~
>48109-1275 ~ (734) 615-8575
>
>From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
>[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Leathem,
>Cecilia Anne
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:18 PM
>To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
>Subject: RE: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues
>
>Thanks, we are now investigating multi-format VCR and DVD players.
>Do you have any recommendations?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Cecilia
>
>
>From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
>[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Rieker,
>Michael
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:09 PM
>To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
>Subject: RE: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues
>
>One alternative to conversion is to get a VCR with multi-format
>capability these are not cheap but since that can play any format
>world wide it would make a difference in the long run plus you would
>not have to worry about copyright issues. There are also
>Multi-format DVD players.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
>[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Leathem,
>Cecilia Anne
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:17 AM
>To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
>Subject: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues
>
>Hello,
>
>I am new to the list, but have searched the archives to no avail for
>information on my issues. I appreciate any input from others.
>
>As a subject specialist, but not a media specialist, I have received
>requests for foreign language videos from Italy and Israel, in
>particular. The videos are often available only in PAL format and we
>currently do not have the capability for converting and using them
>in our library. As a rule, we then notify faculty requesting the
>video that we cannot use the format and cancel the request.
>
>Unsatisfied with our current policy, I have identified several local
>companies who can convert PAL videos. I have also queried the
>library's digital media lab and our School of Communication lab,
>neither of whom has the conversion equipment, but would buy it if we
>have a great enough need.
>
>My questions concern copyright issues.
>
> Have other libraries converted videos from PAL to another
format?
> Have you obtained permission from the producer/supplier
>before converting?
>Does making and keeping a copy conform to "fair use"? What about
>TEACH--SEC. 13301. EDUCATIONAL USE COPYRIGHT EXEMPTION?
> Whose copyright law applies?
> Are there any other related issues that should concern me?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Cecilia
>
>Cecilia Leathem
>Head, Catalog Dept. & Foreign Languages Subject Specialist
>University of Miami Libraries
>Coral Gables, FL 33124
>
>305-284-1561
>
>
>

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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have wondered the same thing about multiregion DVD players as well. &nbsp;I have faculty who have asked me to get a multiregion player, but I have always resisted because I've never seen a familiar vendor selling these. &nbsp;</font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It would be nice to have such a player since I can't afford to keep flying the faculty to Europe...</font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Tom</font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">______________________<br> Thomas A. Ipri, MS<br> Media Services Librarian<br> <br> Connelly Library<br> La Salle University<br> 1900 West Olney Avenue<br> Philadelphia, PA 19141<br> 215-951-1965<br> ipri@lasalle.edu<br> http://www.lasalle.edu/library</font> <br> <br> <br> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>&quot;M. Claire Stewart&quot; &lt;claire-stewart@northwestern.edu&gt;</b> </font> <br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Sent by: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu</font> <p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">03/15/2006 12:45 PM</font> <table border> <tr valign=top> <td bgcolor=white> <div align=center><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Please respond to<br> videolib@library.berkeley.edu</font></div></table> <br> <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">To</font></div> <td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">videolib@library.berkeley.edu</font> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">cc</font></div> <td> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Subject</font></div> <td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">RE: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues</font></table> <br> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> <br></table> <br> <br> <br><font size=2><tt>Maybe someone can clarify a point for me about multiregion DVD players.<br> <br> My understanding has always been that most of the multiregion DVD <br> players on the market have been cracked and modified by the <br> distributors; that they're not actually coming from the manufacturers <br> as multiregion. &nbsp;We've shied away from purchasing them for this <br> reason. &nbsp; Does this synch with everyone else, or no?<br> <br> I agree wholeheartedly with Michael's point about fair use ... and I <br> know the entire works question has been hashed over several times on <br> this list recently but using the whole work does not necessarily <br> negate a fair use argument. I'm repeating the URL for Nimmer's <br> &quot;Fairest of the fair...&quot; article: <br> &lt;http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/lcp/articles/lcp66dWinterSpring2003p263.htm&gt; <br> which includes a factor-by-factor analysis of 60 fair use cases. We <br> can clearly see that a determination that the use is unfair just on <br> the third factor (amount of the work) does not always dictate an <br> overall judgement against fair use and vice-versa. Kelly v. Arriba is <br> only one of several cases.<br> <br> Claire<br> <br> <br> At 5:02 PM -0500 3/14/06, Evershed, Julie wrote:<br> &gt;Cecilia,<br> &gt;Here is what we use or have used in the past:<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Multistandard TV/VCR/DVD &nbsp;Sharp VT-21DV30S &nbsp;-there are issues with <br> &gt;this player as it's default is region 3. See the following page: <br> &gt;&lt;http://www.dvdtalk.com/rce.html&gt;http://www.dvdtalk.com/rce.html<br> &gt;There is also some interesting info on purchasing region free <br> &gt;players on this page.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Portable DVD Player multi system &nbsp;Polaroid PDV-0700<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Multi-Region DVD &nbsp;Sony DVP-S725D<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Samsung Multistandard VCR &nbsp;SU5000-W<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Multi-Standard VHS VCR &nbsp;Samsung SV-5000W<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Good Luck!<br> &gt;Julie<br> &gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> &gt;Julie Evershed ~ Information Specialist ~ Language Resource Center<br> &gt;University of Michigan ~ 812 E. Washington Street ~ Ann Arbor, MI ~ <br> &gt;48109-1275 ~ (734) 615-8575<br> &gt;<br> &gt;From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu <br> &gt;[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Leathem, <br> &gt;Cecilia Anne<br> &gt;Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:18 PM<br> &gt;To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu<br> &gt;Subject: RE: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Thanks, we are now investigating multi-format VCR and DVD players. <br> &gt;Do you have any recommendations?<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Thanks.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Cecilia<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu <br> &gt;[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Rieker, <br> &gt;Michael<br> &gt;Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:09 PM<br> &gt;To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu<br> &gt;Subject: RE: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues<br> &gt;<br> &gt;One alternative to conversion is to get a VCR with multi-format <br> &gt;capability these are not cheap but since that can play any format <br> &gt;world wide it would make a difference in the long run plus you would <br> &gt;not have to worry about copyright issues. There are also <br> &gt;Multi-format DVD players.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;-----Original Message-----<br> &gt;From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu <br> &gt;[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Leathem, <br> &gt;Cecilia Anne<br> &gt;Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:17 AM<br> &gt;To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu<br> &gt;Subject: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Hello,<br> &gt;<br> &gt;I am new to the list, but have searched the archives to no avail for <br> &gt;information on my issues. I appreciate any input from others.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;As a subject specialist, but not a media specialist, I have received <br> &gt;requests for foreign language videos from Italy and Israel, in <br> &gt;particular. The videos are often available only in PAL format and we <br> &gt;currently do not have the capability for converting and using them <br> &gt;in our library. As a rule, we then notify faculty requesting the <br> &gt;video that we cannot use the format and cancel the request.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Unsatisfied with our current policy, I have identified several local <br> &gt;companies who can convert PAL videos. I have also queried the <br> &gt;library's digital media lab and our School of Communication lab, <br> &gt;neither of whom has the conversion equipment, but would buy it if we <br> &gt;have a great enough need.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;My questions concern copyright issues.<br> &gt;<br> &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Have other libraries converted videos from PAL to another format?<br> &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Have you obtained permission from the producer/supplier <br> &gt;before converting?<br> &gt;Does making and keeping a copy conform to &quot;fair use&quot;? What about <br> &gt;TEACH--SEC. 13301. EDUCATIONAL USE COPYRIGHT EXEMPTION?<br> &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Whose copyright law applies?<br> &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Are there any other related issues that should concern me?<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Thanks.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Cecilia<br> &gt;<br> &gt;Cecilia Leathem<br> &gt;Head, Catalog Dept. &amp; Foreign Languages Subject Specialist<br> &gt;University of Miami Libraries<br> &gt;Coral Gables, FL 33124<br> &gt;<br> &gt;305-284-1561<br> &gt;<br> &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br> &gt;<br> <br> <br> -- <br> ____________________________________________________<br> M. Claire Stewart<br> Head, Digital Media Services, Marjorie I. Mitchell Multimedia Center<br> Coordinator of Digitization Projects, Northwestern University Library<br> (847) 467-1437<br> claire-stewart@northwestern.edu<br> http://www.library.northwestern.edu/cstewart/<br> http://copyrightreadings.blogspot.com<br> _______________________________________________<br> Videolib mailing list<br> Videolib@library.berkeley.edu<br> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/videolib<br> </tt></font> <br> --=_alternative 006BDB9A85257133_=--