Re: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues

Jessica Rosner (jrosner@kino.com)
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:59:31 -0500

Well at least you don't have Bush as your leader
I think a lot of librarians would trade the TEACH act for that.
I prefer your health care system too, warts and all

On 3/14/06 5:18 PM, "Susan Weber" <sweber@langara.bc.ca> wrote:

> Jessica:
> I thought it was a cute mistake. Started me thinking about what would
> qualify as an "impotent film" ...
>
> And as to your point about applying copyright law, it is a sad truth
> that a Canadian production that is used in the US would have US
> copyright law applied to it, thereby giving it a classroom exemption
> which it would not have in Canada. Enjoy your exemptions, and
> TEACH Act, everyone in the US - we can only be envious up here.
>
> Susan
>
>
> Jessica Rosner wrote:
>
>> OOPS
>>
>> Um I meant important films NOT impotent ones
>> Was not paying attention to spell check options.
>>
>>
>> On 3/14/06 3:34 PM, "Jessica Rosner" <jrosner@kino.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I would assume US copyright applies and it does not allow for any type
>>> Of format changes.
>>> I am afraid you would REALLY freak out this list if you applied
>>> Canadian copyright down here as you poor folks don't have
>>> A classroom exemption ( FYI what the hell do you do if someone wants
>>> To show CITY LIGHTS, DAY FOR NIGHT, KINGS OF THE ROAD, and thousands
>>> Of other impotent films you can't get PPR on in Canada ?).
>>> I have always figured you get a big laugh out of watching some of
>>> Discussions on the listserv
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/14/06 2:41 PM, "Susan Weber" <sweber@langara.bc.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> One question Cecilia asked that hasn't been addressed is,
>>>> Whose copyright law applies?
>>>> The answer to that is, the law of the country where you are using
>>>> the material. So, in U.S., you apply US copyright law.
>>>> In Canada, we apply Canadian copyright law.
>>>> This is because many (but not all) of the countries in the world
>>>> have signed conventions (Berne, Universal Copyright Convention) agreeing
>>>> to apply their own copyright
>>>> laws to protect the creators from other countries who sign the conventions.
>>>>
>>>> The US has signed both the above conventions.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Susan
>>>>
>>>> Leathem, Cecilia Anne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you. Your response makes it very clear that I need to ask for a
>>>>> multi-format player. I knew this list was the best place to send my query.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecilia
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
>>>>> [mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica
>>>>> Rosner
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:38 AM
>>>>> *To:* videolib@library.berkeley.edu
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues
>>>>>
>>>>> It is illegal to convert from PAL or any format.
>>>>> ³fair use² has nothing to do with it and it very clear under copyright
>>>>> That you canıt transfer formats without permission ( unless we want to
>>>>> go into
>>>>> To ³dead² format thing but PAL is not dead)
>>>>> You can try to obtain permission but it is unlikely to be granted as
>>>>> Different rights holders cover different territories
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a pretty simple solution though. BUY multi-format players
>>>>> They are fairly cheap and you should have them available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like other copyright issues it is ³inconvenient² but illegally
>>>>> transfering from
>>>>> PAL is no more legit than a pirate tape or converting a VHS to a DVD.
>>>>> Here at least you have legal solution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/14/06 11:16 AM, "Leathem, Cecilia Anne" <cleathem@miami.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am new to the list, but have searched the archives to no avail for
>>>>> information on my issues. I appreciate any input from others.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a subject specialist, but not a media specialist, I have received
>>>>> requests for foreign language videos from Italy and Israel, in
>>>>> particular. The videos are often available only in PAL format and we
>>>>> currently do not have the capability for converting and using them in
>>>>> our library. As a rule, we then notify faculty requesting the video
>>>>> that we cannot use the format and cancel the request.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unsatisfied with our current policy, I have identified several local
>>>>> companies who can convert PAL videos. I have also queried the
>>>>> libraryıs digital media lab and our School of Communication lab,
>>>>> neither of whom has the conversion equipment, but would buy it if we
>>>>> have a great enough need.
>>>>>
>>>>> My questions concern copyright issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have other libraries converted videos from PAL to another format?
>>>>> Have you obtained permission from the producer/supplier before converting?
>>>>> Does making and keeping a copy conform to ³fair use²? What about
>>>>> TEACH--SEC. 13301. EDUCATIONAL USE COPYRIGHT EXEMPTION?
>>>>> Whose copyright law applies?
>>>>> Are there any other related issues that should concern me?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecilia
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecilia Leathem
>>>>> Head, Catalog Dept. & Foreign Languages Subject Specialist
>>>>> University of Miami Libraries
>>>>> Coral Gables, FL 33124
>>>>>
>>>>> 305-284-1561
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
>>>>>
>>>>> Jessica Rosner
>>>>> Kino International
>>>>> 333 W 39th St. 503
>>>>> NY NY 10018
>>>>> jrosner@kino.com
>>>>> 212-629-6880
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
>>>
>>> Jessica Rosner
>>> Kino International
>>> 333 W 39th St. 503
>>> NY NY 10018
>>> jrosner@kino.com
>>> 212-629-6880
>>>
>>>
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>> Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
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>> Jessica Rosner
>> Kino International
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>> 212-629-6880
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Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE

Jessica Rosner
Kino International
333 W 39th St. 503
NY NY 10018
jrosner@kino.com
212-629-6880

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