Re: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues

Susan Weber (sweber@langara.bc.ca)
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:18:36 -0800

Jessica:
I thought it was a cute mistake. Started me thinking about what would
qualify as an "impotent film" ...

And as to your point about applying copyright law, it is a sad truth
that a Canadian production that is used in the US would have US
copyright law applied to it, thereby giving it a classroom exemption
which it would not have in Canada. Enjoy your exemptions, and
TEACH Act, everyone in the US - we can only be envious up here.

Susan

Jessica Rosner wrote:

>OOPS
>
>Um I meant important films NOT impotent ones
>Was not paying attention to spell check options.
>
>
>On 3/14/06 3:34 PM, "Jessica Rosner" <jrosner@kino.com> wrote:
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>>I would assume US copyright applies and it does not allow for any type
>>Of format changes.
>>I am afraid you would REALLY freak out this list if you applied
>>Canadian copyright down here as you poor folks don't have
>>A classroom exemption ( FYI what the hell do you do if someone wants
>>To show CITY LIGHTS, DAY FOR NIGHT, KINGS OF THE ROAD, and thousands
>>Of other impotent films you can't get PPR on in Canada ?).
>>I have always figured you get a big laugh out of watching some of
>>Discussions on the listserv
>>
>>
>>On 3/14/06 2:41 PM, "Susan Weber" <sweber@langara.bc.ca> wrote:
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>>
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>>>One question Cecilia asked that hasn't been addressed is,
>>>Whose copyright law applies?
>>>The answer to that is, the law of the country where you are using
>>>the material. So, in U.S., you apply US copyright law.
>>>In Canada, we apply Canadian copyright law.
>>>This is because many (but not all) of the countries in the world
>>>have signed conventions (Berne, Universal Copyright Convention) agreeing
>>>to apply their own copyright
>>>laws to protect the creators from other countries who sign the conventions.
>>>
>>>The US has signed both the above conventions.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Susan
>>>
>>>Leathem, Cecilia Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thank you. Your response makes it very clear that I need to ask for a
>>>>multi-format player. I knew this list was the best place to send my query.
>>>>
>>>>Cecilia
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>*From:* videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
>>>>[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica
>>>>Rosner
>>>>*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:38 AM
>>>>*To:* videolib@library.berkeley.edu
>>>>*Subject:* Re: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues
>>>>
>>>>It is illegal to convert from PAL or any format.
>>>>³fair use² has nothing to do with it and it very clear under copyright
>>>>That you canıt transfer formats without permission ( unless we want to
>>>>go into
>>>>To ³dead² format thing but PAL is not dead)
>>>>You can try to obtain permission but it is unlikely to be granted as
>>>>Different rights holders cover different territories
>>>>
>>>>There is a pretty simple solution though. BUY multi-format players
>>>>They are fairly cheap and you should have them available.
>>>>
>>>>Like other copyright issues it is ³inconvenient² but illegally
>>>>transfering from
>>>>PAL is no more legit than a pirate tape or converting a VHS to a DVD.
>>>>Here at least you have legal solution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 3/14/06 11:16 AM, "Leathem, Cecilia Anne" <cleathem@miami.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>I am new to the list, but have searched the archives to no avail for
>>>>information on my issues. I appreciate any input from others.
>>>>
>>>>As a subject specialist, but not a media specialist, I have received
>>>>requests for foreign language videos from Italy and Israel, in
>>>>particular. The videos are often available only in PAL format and we
>>>>currently do not have the capability for converting and using them in
>>>>our library. As a rule, we then notify faculty requesting the video
>>>>that we cannot use the format and cancel the request.
>>>>
>>>>Unsatisfied with our current policy, I have identified several local
>>>>companies who can convert PAL videos. I have also queried the
>>>>libraryıs digital media lab and our School of Communication lab,
>>>>neither of whom has the conversion equipment, but would buy it if we
>>>>have a great enough need.
>>>>
>>>>My questions concern copyright issues.
>>>>
>>>>Have other libraries converted videos from PAL to another format?
>>>>Have you obtained permission from the producer/supplier before converting?
>>>>Does making and keeping a copy conform to ³fair use²? What about
>>>>TEACH--SEC. 13301. EDUCATIONAL USE COPYRIGHT EXEMPTION?
>>>>Whose copyright law applies?
>>>>Are there any other related issues that should concern me?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Cecilia
>>>>
>>>>Cecilia Leathem
>>>>Head, Catalog Dept. & Foreign Languages Subject Specialist
>>>>University of Miami Libraries
>>>>Coral Gables, FL 33124
>>>>
>>>>305-284-1561
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
>>>>
>>>>Jessica Rosner
>>>>Kino International
>>>>333 W 39th St. 503
>>>>NY NY 10018
>>>>jrosner@kino.com
>>>>212-629-6880
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
>>
>>Jessica Rosner
>>Kino International
>>333 W 39th St. 503
>>NY NY 10018
>>jrosner@kino.com
>>212-629-6880
>>
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>Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
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>Jessica Rosner
>Kino International
>333 W 39th St. 503
>NY NY 10018
>jrosner@kino.com
>212-629-6880
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