RE: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues

Leathem, Cecilia Anne (cleathem@miami.edu)
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:53:49 -0500

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Thank you. Your response makes it very clear that I need to ask for a
multi-format player. I knew this list was the best place to send my
query.

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Cecilia

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________________________________

From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica
Rosner
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:38 AM
To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] PAL format and conversion issues

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It is illegal to convert from PAL or any format.
"fair use" has nothing to do with it and it very clear under copyright
That you can't transfer formats without permission ( unless we want to
go into
To "dead" format thing but PAL is not dead)
You can try to obtain permission but it is unlikely to be granted as
Different rights holders cover different territories

There is a pretty simple solution though. BUY multi-format players
They are fairly cheap and you should have them available.

Like other copyright issues it is "inconvenient" but illegally
transfering from
PAL is no more legit than a pirate tape or converting a VHS to a DVD.
Here at least you have legal solution.

On 3/14/06 11:16 AM, "Leathem, Cecilia Anne" <cleathem@miami.edu> wrote:

Hello,
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I am new to the list, but have searched the archives to no avail for
information on my issues. I appreciate any input from others.
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As a subject specialist, but not a media specialist, I have received
requests for foreign language videos from Italy and Israel, in
particular. The videos are often available only in PAL format and we
currently do not have the capability for converting and using them in
our library. As a rule, we then notify faculty requesting the video that
we cannot use the format and cancel the request.
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Unsatisfied with our current policy, I have identified several local
companies who can convert PAL videos. I have also queried the library's
digital media lab and our School of Communication lab, neither of whom
has the conversion equipment, but would buy it if we have a great enough
need.
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My questions concern copyright issues.
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Have other libraries converted videos from PAL to another
format?
Have you obtained permission from the producer/supplier
before converting?
Does making and keeping a copy conform to "fair use"? What about
TEACH--SEC. 13301. EDUCATIONAL USE COPYRIGHT EXEMPTION?
Whose copyright law applies?
Are there any other related issues that should concern me?
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Thanks.
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Cecilia
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Cecilia Leathem
Head, Catalog Dept. & Foreign Languages Subject Specialist
University of Miami Libraries
Coral Gables, FL 33124
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305-284-1561
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Proud Resident of a BLUE STATE
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Jessica Rosner
Kino International
333 W 39th St. 503
NY NY 10018
jrosner@kino.com
212-629-6880

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videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jessica Rosner<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 14, =
2006
11:38 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
videolib@library.berkeley.edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Videolib] =
PAL format
and conversion issues</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D1 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>It is illegal to convert =
from PAL
or any format.<br>
&#8220;fair use&#8221; has nothing to do with it and it very clear under
copyright<br>
That you can&#8217;t transfer formats without permission ( unless we =
want to go
into<br>
To &#8220;dead&#8221; format thing but PAL is not dead)<br>
You can try to obtain permission but it is unlikely to be granted as<br>
Different rights holders cover different territories<br>
<br>
There is a pretty simple solution though. BUY multi-format players<br>
They are fairly cheap and you should have them available.<br>
<br>
Like other copyright issues it is &#8220;inconvenient&#8221; &nbsp;but
illegally transfering from<br>
PAL is no more legit than a pirate tape or converting a VHS to a =
DVD.<br>
Here at least you have legal solution.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 3/14/06 11:16 AM, &quot;Leathem, Cecilia Anne&quot;
&lt;cleathem@miami.edu&gt; wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hello,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
I am new to the list, but have searched the archives to no avail for
information on my issues. I appreciate any input from others.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
As a subject specialist, but not a media specialist, I have received =
requests
for foreign language videos from <st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on">Italy</st1:country-region>
and <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
in particular. The videos are often available only in PAL format and we
currently do not have the capability for converting and using them in =
our
library. As a rule, we then notify faculty requesting the video that we =
cannot
use the format and cancel the request.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Unsatisfied with our current policy, I have identified several local =
companies
who can convert PAL videos. I have also queried the library&#8217;s =
digital
media lab and our <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">School</st1:PlaceType>
of <st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Communication</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> =
lab,
neither of whom has the conversion equipment, but would buy it if we =
have a
great enough need.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
My questions concern copyright issues.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;H=
ave
other libraries converted videos from PAL to another format?<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;H=
ave
you obtained permission from the producer/supplier before =
converting?<br>
Does making and keeping a copy conform to &#8220;fair use&#8221;? What =
about
TEACH--SEC. 13301. EDUCATIONAL USE COPYRIGHT EXEMPTION?<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;W=
hose
copyright law applies?<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A=
re
there any other related issues that should concern me?<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Thanks.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Cecilia<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Cecilia Leathem<br>
Head, Catalog Dept. &amp; Foreign Languages Subject Specialist<br>
<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName
w:st=3D"on">Miami</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> Libraries<br>
<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Coral Gables</st1:City>, =
<st1:State
w:st=3D"on">FL</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode =
w:st=3D"on">33124</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
&nbsp;<br>
305-284-1561<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<=
br>
&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<br>
<br>
<br>
Proud Resident of a <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName =
w:st=3D"on">BLUE</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">STATE</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
&nbsp;<br>
Jessica Rosner<br>
Kino International<br>
<st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">333 W 39th =
St.</st1:address></st1:Street>
503<br>
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jrosner@kino.com<br>
212-629-6880</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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