I agree with what you are saying about copies professors bring in. I
just had this same conversation with our Reserves staff.
I understand your position and sensitivities around this issue. My
question, though, is what is to be lost by rights holders (especially
those who may own the rights of works that are out of print) by
allowing passworded, encoded streaming to a class or reserves in lieu of
having students check out the film and view it off of a VHS tape or DVD?
If we weigh the 4 factors the way I think you are suggesting, any one
factor against (amount, for instance) would mean nixing fair use, and I
think that is completely contrary to the spirit (and text) of the law.
Additionally, TEACH and fair use are different sections of the law, and
are not meant to be coupled together either to support or to deny
exemptions to the exclusive rights of copyright holders (TEACH says X
and Fair Use say Y, so that means you can't do such and such).
Lastly, let me just say that I very much enjoy and value these dialogues
that we have on Videolib. I think it is extremely valuable for us to
hash out these issues as a community of professionals associated with
media. I also understand that we will not always agree, but that does
not at all lessen the value of this forum, or the respect I have for its
Slavic Studies, German Studies & Media Arts Librarian
University of Arizona Library A210
1510 E. University
P.O. Box 210055
Tucson, AZ 85721
[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Jessica
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] question on copyrights
Well we will have to agree to disagree but since the TEACH ACT
specifically prohibits the use of an entire dramatic work and
" Fair use' requires you to consider the amount use I don't see a valid
Argument for ever streaming a feature film without the rights holders
Permission. As you might imagine this is an issue on which I am rather
Sensitive since as I have mentioned before Kino ITSELF often does not
own rights for streaming titles in our collection.
The gist of the rest of my post was a response to the original question
About being VERY careful in using something provided by a professor.
In most cases it would be far wiser to just purchase the copy for the
Institution and if you can't find one than find out EXACTLY how the
professor obtained his or hers. If they happen to have an old legal
Copy of a rare and now out of print title, great, if on the other hand
They bought if off the internet from one of those charming sites that
Offers " rare unavailable films" odds are it is an ILLEGAL copy
On 2/21/06 12:53 PM, "Brewer, Michael" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> TEACH allows for streaming of any amount necessary to meet the
> educational goal if it is "non-dramatic", so that may include entire
> "non dramatic" films (as they are used all the time in class in this
> For feature/art films ("dramatic") the law does not seem to allow for
> entire films, just limited and reasonable portions or "displays" of
> amount usually shown in class (which is irrelevant for streaming, as
> applies not to performance, but to display - stills). I, personally,
> think this is a major flaw in the law, but that is what it says.
> Fair Use says nothing about not using an entire work (be that print,
> film or something else), just about weighing the 4 factors.
> My understanding of that would mean that the use of an entire film
> heavily weigh against fair use for Amount, but if the use is
> or scholarly, that would weigh heavily in favor of fair use. The
> would depend on whether or not the film were in print and, I think (as
> much or more so), on the mechanisms used to perform the film
> (passworded, streamed without the ability to copy, etc.). If
> measures were taken, even for a film in print, my sense is that Effect
> might still not weigh against the use [for classroom viewing or
> streaming for reserves] (how, for example, could one argue that the
> effect of this use is greater than putting this same film on reserve
> students to check out and view on their own?). Lastly one would have
> weigh Nature. Because film is considered a highly creative medium,
> would weigh more heavily against in most cases.
> As such, my weighing of the 4 fair use factors comes out pretty even.
> Of course one should base this judgment on each case individually, but
> think this generic scenario shows that, if you understand the weighing
> of factors as I do (and I know many of you don't), the use of entire
> films for streaming to classrooms or reserves may still be considered
> fair use in many instances.
> Please be gentle in your reproaches :)
> Michael Brewer
> Slavic Studies, German Studies & Media Arts Librarian
> University of Arizona Library A210
> 1510 E. University
> P.O. Box 210055
> Tucson, AZ 85721
> Voice: 520.307.2771
> Fax: 520.621.9733
> -----Original Message-----
> From: email@example.com
> [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Jessica
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:21 AM
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] question on copyrights
> I agree with most of this but it is clear to me anyway that both
> TEACH and fair use prohibit the use of an entire film in streaming
> Or distance Ed. However to source of the film is irrelevant so long at
> is a
> LEGAL COPY and Professors are notorious for having bootleg copies so
> sure It is a LEGAL copy from the US and not taped off air, pirate
> Etc. Usually you can tell from the box but again be careful with
> Profs as they traditionally have very little respect for what is a
> Legal copy and what is not
> On 2/17/06 10:40 AM, "Brewer, Michael" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> The 10% or 3 minutes is not part of the law.
>> If the use is for a class, it is clear under TEACH that you can
>> use/perform whatever amount you need to toward the educational goal
>> it is a "nondramatic" film, or perform limited and reasonable
>> of any other film.
>> The exception are those films specifically created to be used as part
>> mediated instructional activities transmitted via digital networks.
>> These are not covered under TEACH.
>> You could also use fair use to rationalize the streaming, if you feel
>> TEACH is too restrictive, but each use would have to be scrutinized
>> individually and weighed by the 4 factors to determine whether the
>> was "fair use."
>> TEACH and fair use only stipulate that the copy is a legal one, not
>> owns it. However, if there are other license agreements around the
>> of a particular video, those could trump copyright law. I'll let
>> chime in on that one.
>> Michael Brewer
>> Slavic Studies, German Studies & Media Arts Librarian
>> University of Arizona Library A210
>> 1510 E. University
>> P.O. Box 210055
>> Tucson, AZ 85721
>> Voice: 520.307.2771
>> Fax: 520.621.9733
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: email@example.com
>> [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of
>> Badilla-Melendez, Cindy
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:31 PM
>> To: 'email@example.com'
>> Subject: [Videolib] question on copyrights
>> I know that few weeks ago there was a discussion on copyrights for
>> clips online. I know we can use 10% or 3 minutes which ever is less.
>> this is related to if the library owns the video.
>> Can we put video clips online (streaming video) for distance ed, of
>> owned by faculty but not by the library?
>> We all know that if the library buys a video, we pay $300 for it, and
>> professor buy the same video he/she will pay only $50. So would that
>> something to with being allowed legally to put the prof's copy of
>> clips online? We are allowed to put personal copies on course
>> What do you think?
>> Cindy Badilla-Melendez
>> Media Resources Librarian
>> O'Shaughnessy-Frey Library,
>> University of St. Thomas
>> phone (651) 962-5464
>> fax (651) 962-5406
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