RE: [Videolib] Comments: List of Digital Streaming Companies

Karen Patterson (kpatters@pct.edu)
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:31:10 -0500

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Good afternoon,

When John wrote:

So my conclusion is that if higher ed is going to rely more heavily on
the use of media, then the price should probably go up.

I couldn't help but wonder the reaction that would provoke. If an
academic library's budget has to increase to provide necessary resources
to supplement the course work, that increase could eventually be
reflected in a tuition increase. Not only could this result in a
prospective student's inability to attend the college of choice, but
what if someone who is self-employed has to increase the cost of his/her
product/service in order to pay for a child's tuition bill. We, my
co-worker and I, believe this to be a prime example of how the domino
effect works. We see it every day in the economy.

Thank you for the opportunity to post our thoughts!

Beth Burleigh and Karen Patterson
Acquisitions Specialists
PA College of Technology

>>> John@bullfrogfilms.com 2/10/2006 11:22 AM >>>

Hi, Monique and everyone

>From the distributor's point of view -- at least one distributor's --
my point of comparison is always with textbooks.

Distributors have always said that if professors assigned videos the
way they assign textbooks, then the price of course would drop
dramatically, even though the production costs of most documentaires are
(I suspect) far greater than producing textbooks.

Now that video is finally being seen in most quarters in this country
as an essential part of higher education I think it's unfair to
characterize our prices as exorbitant. In most cases the amount of
royalties that distributors are able to return to producers when
compared to production costs is pathetic.

Don't producers get income from other sources that are not open to
textbook authors? Sometimes, but I think you all know how notoriously
hard it is to sell a program to television, and the exceptions go to
prove the rule.

Dennis has eloquently explained that you don't go into distribution for
the money.

So my conclusion is that if higher ed is going to rely more heavily on
the use of media, then the price should probably go up.

Whether that will happen in practice remains to be seen.

All the best,
John

___________________
John Hoskyns-Abrahall
Bullfrog Films
PO Box 149
Oley, PA 19547
Toll-Free: 800/543-3764
Email: john@bullfrogfilms.com
http://www.bullfrogfilms.com
Voice: 610/779-8226
Fax: 610/370-1978


From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Threatt,
Monique L
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:45 AM
To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu; videonews@library.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Comments: List of Digital Streaming Companies
andlicense options

Group,

Just my two cents.

FYI, the grid I'm creating is more informational than anything else.
The grid will not contain every imaginable detail, but rather it's a
stepping stone for you to use as you see fit.

Most companies require that you also purchase the physical copy along
with digital licensing rights. As librarians, we have a lot of power to
try and change how distributors license their rights, but that's another
discussion...well, I can't resist...

I know colleges, universities, and corporations bear the brunt of
paying exorbitant fees for videos/DVDs. But, what bothers me most is
that I have to pay $290 for the physical copy, and then I'm being asked
to pay an additional $200 to digitize the film every one to three years.
That's highway robbery. But, like the good librarian I am, I'm going
to keep my faculty and students happy. I do hope that many distributors
will re-think their digital policies. I know businesses have to make a
profit, but it still stinks. On the other hand, there are a few decent
distributors who are not trying to squeeze every possible dollar they
can from colleges/universities, and I commend them for doing so.

Again, I strongly encourage anyone who decides to offer streaming to
their patrons to contact the company in question for all possible
options.

Best,

Monique
*************************
Monique Threatt
Librarian for Media, and Communication & Culture
Herman B Wells Library, W121
Indiana University
Bloomington, IN 47405
T: (812) 855-9857
F: (812) 855-1649
E: mthreatt@indiana.edu

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Good afternoon,
 
When John wrote:
 
So my conclusion is that if higher = ed is going to rely more heavily on the use of media, then the price = should probably go up.
 
I couldn't help but wonder the reaction that = would provoke.  If an academic library's budget has to increase to = provide necessary resources to supplement the course work, that increase&nb= sp;could eventually be reflected in a tuition increase.  Not only = could this result in a prospective student's inability to attend the = college of choice, but what if someone who is self-employed has to = increase the cost of his/her product/service in order to pay for a child's = tuition bill.  We, my co-worker and I, believe this to be a prime = example of how the domino effect works.  We see it every day in the = economy.
 
Thank you for the opportunity to post our = thoughts!
 
Beth Burleigh and Karen Patterson
Acquisitions Specialists
PA College of Technology
 <= /DIV>
>>= ;> John@bullfrogfilms.com 2/10/2006 11:22 AM >>>
Hi, Monique and everyone
 
From the distributor's point of view = -- at least one distributor's -- my point of comparison is always with = textbooks.
 
Distributors have always said that = if professors assigned videos the way they assign textbooks, then the = price of course would drop dramatically, even though the production costs = of most documentaires are (I suspect) far greater than producing textbooks.=
 
Now that video is finally being seen = in most quarters in this country as an essential part of higher education = I think it's unfair to characterize our prices as exorbitant.  In = most cases the amount of royalties that distributors are able to return to = producers when compared to production costs is pathetic.
 
Don't producers get income from = other sources that are not open to textbook authors?  Sometimes, but = I think you all know how notoriously hard it is to sell a program to = television, and the exceptions go to prove the rule.
 
Dennis has eloquently explained that = you don't go into distribution for the money.
 
So my conclusion is that if higher = ed is going to rely more heavily on the use of media, then the price = should probably go up.
 
Whether that will happen in practice = remains to be seen.
 
All the best,
    John
 
___________________
John Hoskyns-Abrahall<= /DIV>
Bullfrog Films
PO Box 149
Oley, PA  19547
Toll-Free:  800/543-3764=
Voice: 610/779-8226
Fax:    = 610/370-1978
 


From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley= .edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of = Threatt, Monique L
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:45 = AM
To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu; videonews@library.berkeley.= edu
Subject: [Videolib] Comments: List of Digital Streaming = Companies andlicense options

Group,
 
Just my two cents.
 
FYI, the grid I'm creating is mo= re informational than anything else.  The grid will not contain = every imaginable detail, but rather it's a stepping stone for you to = use as you see fit.
 
Most companies require that you also = purchase the physical copy along with digital licensing rights.  As = librarians, we have a lot of power to try and change how distributors = license their rights, but that's another discussion...well, I can't = resist...  
 
I know colleges, universities, = and corporations bear the brunt of paying exorbitant fees for videos/DVDs.&= nbsp;But, what bothers me most is that I have to pay $290 for the = physical copy, and then I'm being asked to pay an additional $200 to = digitize the film every one to three years.  That's highway = robbery.  But, like the good librarian I am, I'm going to keep = my faculty and students happy.  I do hope that many distributors will = re-think their digital policies. I know businesses have to make a = profit, but it still stinks.  On the other hand, there are a few = decent distributors who are not trying to squeeze every possible = dollar they can from colleges/universities, and I commend them for = doing so. 
 <= /DIV>
Again, I strongly encourage anyone = who decides to offer streaming to their patrons to contact the company in = question for all possible options.
 
Best,
 
Monique
*************************
Monique = Threatt
Li= brarian for Media, and Communication & Culture
Herman B Wells Library, W121
Indiana = University
Bloomington, IN  47405
<= FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>T:   (812) 855-9857
=
F:  (812) = 855-1649
E= :  mthreatt@indiana.edu
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