I am speaking from a lofty and patently snooty academic perspective
here, I admit, but it seems to me that the VAST (and I mean VAST)
majority of materials that are staples for higher ed instruction will
never be available over the wires ... ever. Other parts of the
universe--feature films, for eg--will undoubtedly become available
over the net... But I still question the short and long term
feasibility of academic institutions buying into the "pay per drink"
model that movies will undoubtedly fall into.
It is possible that licensing arrangements will make it
theoretically possible for institutions to digitize and deliver
existing or future non-theatrical content, but even in large
institutions such as the one I'm in, the staffing and infrastructure
costs are going to put up enormous roadblocks.
Again, my major concern in all of this is the potential of sliding
toward the procrustean...the tendency to cut of the head and the feet
to match the size of the bed.
At 11:37 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
>My perspective is from a K-12 Media Center...Circulated Instructional
>Media vs your Library Collections...
>Just like any new format or technology, it will take some time to shake
>out all the bugs. The paradigm shift from film to tape took many years.
>There was the advent of Video Tape...VHS vs Beta...and it took several
>years for that to settle ( I certainly hope we get the better format
>this time). It looks like DVD might very well be one of the
>shortest-lived formats in media. The fact of the matter is, media will
>be delivered via an Internet connection (How long till NetFlix and
>Blockbuster give you the option?). The techies for the end users will
>have to step up to new machines....just like they had to shift from film
>projectors to VHS tape players, they will have to shift from their
>current machines to the ones that produce a picture from a digitally
>The notion that it won't happen, is extraordinarily short-sighted, as we
>see the snowballing of Internet2. The MPAA and RIAA have now joined the
>Internet2 community (
>https://mail.internet2.edu/wws/arc/i2-news/2005-09/msg00000.html ), so
>we know the biggest "guns" in the industry are already looking to
>capitalize on the newest delivery methods. The education market might
>not be an early adopter, but it WILL follow. No one has the answers, as
>to a time frame, but it's coming fast!
>And for those who question video quality, via digital networks, they are
>already broadcasting HIGH DEFINITION video!...yes...High Def over
>Internet2, with a 4k picture quality (example:
>http://www.internet2.edu/video/library/details.cfm?id=70 )! As far as
>the examples that Jessica has sited, producers, authors, rights-owners
>who will not allow "rights" for digital technologies...they have their
>druthers. They can either step up to current reality, or become part of
>some obscure archive, stored in a media center basement, next to a row
>of Beta machines and laser disk players. Is it right? Who's to say...but
>there WERE those who didn't adopt VHS tape. Our center gave away all
>those old films, when no one wanted them anymore, or were finally unable
>to play them with their crumbling machines.
>So, to give my humble input to the original questions....
>1. Five years?...
> A fair estimate, given how fast and strong I2 is coming along.
>I'm betting on widespread use, in less time than that, though. If all
>goes well, our center is looking at 100meg connectivity, with Internet2
>infrastructure within a year...hint...streamed media files via a virtual
>network (LAN, WAN) provides better picture quality.
>2. Will video resource collections cease to exist?
> They may cease to exist, in their current format...rights holder
>HAVE to step up, IF they wish to be players in the future. Jessica, I
>KNOW what you said about not being able to garner the rights to allow
>3. And on a practical level, is anyone out there using streaming video
>as part of a Media Resources collection--if so, how useful/effective is
> Right now, as a K-12 Media Center, streamed/downloaded product
>has replaced circulation of tape (and small numbers of DVD) at a nearly
>one to one trade-off. And as always, those who never adopted the moving
>picture image when it was in 16mm format, never adopted VHS, and aren't
>looking to adopt digital wares. Those who do adopt, find the non-linear
>use of digital files, to be extraordinarily useful in a classroom
>setting. I don't have to preach to this audience, the effectiveness of
>small key-element clips, in the classroom.
>As more campuses choose I2, media content will be made more available.
>The market will see to that. Unfortunately, today's market eats
>yesterday's market...there IS an upside to that equation, though... if
>it didn't, there would never be a need for tomorrow's market.
>On an aside, is anyone gunna stop the Colts!!?? My "Stillers" failed
>miserably...but not NEARLY as miserably as the Iggles! HA HA
>Mark W. Kopp
>[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Patti McVay
>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:31 AM
>Subject: Re: [Videolib] streaming media and academic libraries: the
>Getting Better :-)
>At 03:50 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:
> >You're boss is sorely deluded...Hers is, I'm afraid, the kind of bubbly
> >administratorspeak that's based less on insight and real knowledge and
> >more on on buzz and other ill-gotten notions picked up banging around
> >the infosphere...
> >It may be that in five years certain distributors (PBS, MEF, Films
> >Media Group et al) will make the majority of their catalogs available
> >online. Great, if all you plan to support in your
> >collection is the collections of those folks. I have a queasy
> >feeling that there's gonna be a future trend toward "collecting"
> >based on what can be delivered over the wire (not on what would best
> >serve the teaching and research aims of the institution)...all--and
> >only--the news that's fit to stream, as it were
> >Even then, I'd consider the ability of campus computing infrastructure
> >to support online video delivery; student access to computers;
> >classroom digital delivery capabilities; willingness of faculty to use
> >online media in the classroom. I've been toying around with FMG's
> >digital on demand services...nifty front-end tools, but the image you
> >get is still a 360x240 postage stamp. I've also been messing around
> >with putting FMG and PBS mpg and streamed format files up on the
> >library's server. Looks pretty nice if you're in the library or have
> >access to a T1 line...less wonderful from off campus over cable or DSL.
> >Gary Handman
> >At 10:41 AM 12/7/2005, you wrote:
> >>Not gonna happen for FEATURE films at least legally Way too many
> >>rights holders who will simply never agree and You can't force them. I
> >>am sure however that lots of stuff will be allowed to be streamed but
> >>a lot won't .
> >>Gonna be fun
> >> > Some of you may recall that I wanted to begin circulating our
> >> video resources
> >> > to students--currently they circulate to faculty only, and
> >> students must use
> >> > them inhouse. Well, that proposal has been soundly rejected by
> >> the faculty.
> >> > When I said I wanted to continue to press for this, my boss told me
> >> > that streaming media will soon render the issue moot. "In five
> >> years," she told
> >> > me, "streaming video will change the entire way academic media
> >> resources will
> >> > operate."
> >> >
> >> > Okay, I'd like to tap the collective wisdom of the list re this
> >> > 1. Five years?
> >> > 2. Will video resource collections cease to exist?
> >> > 3. And on a practical level, is anyone out there using streaming
> >> > video as part of a Media Resources collection--if so, how
>useful/effective is it?
> >> > As always, thanks for your input!
> >> >
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