Gary
At 02:08 PM 9/21/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Eileen et al.,
>It was not my intention to be confrontational about this, nor to suggest
>that the film industry shouldn't make a profit. I brought up the issue
>because it deserves discussion, indeed it is being discussed quite widely.
>Colleges and universities have been among the staunchest defenders of
>intellectual property rights but many are starting to consider whether
>current copyright laws are worth challenging in the interests of giving
>equal weight to the rights of scholarship.
>On the other hand, I never did look that good in silver...:-)
>Patty
>_________________________________
>Patricia Hornbeck
>Media Resources Development Coordinator
>Middlebury College
>Library and Information Services/#212
>Middlebury, VT 05753
>
>(802)443-2268 phone
>(802)443-5698 fax
>Email: hornbeck@middlebury.edu
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
>[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu]On Behalf Of Eileen
>Karsten
>Sent: Wed, September 21, 2005 11:24 AM
>To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
>Subject: Re: [Videolib] another fair use question
>
>
>Do you consider your tuition an impediment to learning? As much as we
>like to think so, education is not free. When we purchase a film, we
>know that there are certain limitations to its use. I do not know why
>we want to continue to give the film industry so much grief because they
>want to make a profit on their product. Or, in some cases, just make
>back the production costs.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Eileen Karsten
>Lake Forest College
>Lake Forest, IL 60045
>karsten@lfc.edu
>
>
> > Let's look at the other side of this for a minute. Because we follow
> > the guidelines very closely at Middlebury, the Hispanic Alliance on
> > our campus will probably not be screening two Spanish-language movies
> > for their group this month. The public performance fee was close to a
> > thousand dollars for the two and the club doesn't have that much in
> > their budget. It doesn't require too much imagination to see this as
> > somewhat of an impediment to learning. Sure, they can see the film if
> > it's a part of the Spanish 101 curriculum, but they can't see it as a
> > group unless they are able to shell out $1,000 for the privilege.
> > Public performance prices for these sorts of programs are way too
> > high. We expect to pay those prices for College-wide
> > entertainment-related film series but shouldn't have to strain our
> > budgets to offer realistic enrichment programs to language groups. We
> > are being fair to the distributors, but are we being entirely fair to
> > our students? Do we have a responsibility as educators to push the
> > envelope in favor of more realistic "fair use"?
> >
> > Patty
> > _________________________________
> > Patricia Hornbeck
> > Media Resources Development Coordinator
> > Middlebury College
> > Library and Information Services/#212
> > Middlebury, VT 05753
> >
> > (802)443-2268 phone
> > (802)443-5698 fax
> > Email: hornbeck@middlebury.edu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* Kim Crowley
> > [mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu]*On Behalf Of *Kim
> > Crowley
> > *Sent:* Tue, September 20, 2005 6:35 PM
> > *To:* videolib@library.berkeley.edu
> > *Subject:* RE: [Videolib] another fair use question
> >
> > Thank you, Jessica. I did go the vidoelib archives when I had
> > time and found reference to the article that is on the webpage of
> > Library Video company.
> > http://www.libraryvideo.com/articles/article7.asp I will send
> > this on to my colleague at the community college.
> > kc
> >
> > Kim Crowley, Director
> > Flathead County Library phone: 406.758.5826
> > 247 First Avenue East fax: 406.758.5868
> > Kalispell, MT. 59901-4598
> > kcrowley@co.flathead.mt.us <mailto:kcrowley@co.flathead.mt.us>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu on behalf
> > of Jessica Rosner
> > *Sent:* Tue 9/20/2005 2:28 PM
> > *To:* videolib
> > *Cc:*
> > *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] another fair use question
> >
> > The law happens to very clear on this one. She can show the
> > films to a CLASS
> > of students ENROLLED in THAT class as part of the class
> > instruction
> > She can NOT show it to a student "group" or "club" only to
> > students who are
> > in her specific class.
> > There is no such thing as an "educational" exemption. Only a
> > VERY specific
> > "face to face" teaching exemption. FYI this has NOTHING to do
> > with "fair
> > use" but with the above mentioned "face to face"
> >
> > I am bit tired but I am sure Gary or someone else can post the
> > link or text
> > for this in the copyright code
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > We have a community college here with a multicultural and
> > global issues
> > > program. The person in charge of this program teaches
> > classes and also does
> > > some community events. She was under the impression (backed
> > up by the media
> > > center, which is not the library) that since she is in a
> > teaching environment
> > > and these films are to further the education of the
> > students, that she does
> > > not have to have any special rights for films like "Crash"
> > and "Maria Full of
> > > Grace." These are films that she would like to show her
> > student group, call
> > > "Global Friends". I called her when I saw "Crash"
> > advertised in an email
> > > newsletter and she has since pulled that film and
> > substituted "Invisible
> > > Children" for which she has permission. But she is still
> > under the impression
> > > that she can show "Crash" at a later date to the student
> > club without
> > > performance rights (and if they happen to bring their
> > friends, that is okay).
> > >
> > > Can she show these films in the classroom without
> > performance rights? Can she
> > > show them to the Global Club and friends without performance
> > rights?
> > > Thanks,
> > > kc
> > >
> > > Kim Crowley, Director
> > > Flathead County Library phone: 406.758.5826
> > > 247 First Avenue East fax: 406.758.5868
> > > Kalispell, MT. 59901-4598
> > > kcrowley@co.flathead.mt.us
> > >
> > >
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> >
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> >
> > Jessica Rosner
> > Kino International
> > 333 W 39th St. 503
> > NY NY 10018
> > jrosner@kino.com
> > 212-629-6880
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