From: "Tatar, Becky" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Aug 23, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Videolib] Streaming and course management systems (CDigix)
Gary, this is something that public libraries struggle with all the time
- are you a popular materials center, education/information center,
research center? A lot of this depends on what your board and
administration see as the library's mission. We have always walked a
line between having the top award winning films, popular titles and
classic films. I have fellow staff members who wonder why I purchase
foreign films and silent movies. I think it is really all about
balance. You put out the popular titles in order to get the folks in to
the library. Then, my job is to let them know what else we have. We do
this all the time with books. No the Nancy Drew books are all out.
Have you tried any of the Lois Lowry titles. Or, the next Harry Potter
book isn't out for another couple of years. Here are some other fantasy
titles you might like. The same thing works for film. A couple of
weeks ago, I had a 12 year old girl asking about Judy Garland movies. I
was thrilled. I showed her what we had, recommended a couple of titles,
and she took them home. When I saw her again the next week, I asked her
about them. She had really enjoyed them. And because of that, she might
try something else that is old and in black and white! With books, this
is called Reader's Advisory. I don't know that I've ever seen a similar
term for film - Viewer's Advisory, maybe? I know other folks on the list
will have other ideas and issues. :)
Aurora Public Library
1 E. Benton Street
Aurora, IL 60505
[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Gary Daniels
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming and course management systems (CDigix)
<<<<Librarians and consumers alike have wanted movies to be like music
kind of one stop or close to it licensing mode but again due to the HUGE
number of different owners all over the world this will not happen>>>>>
There IS a one stop movie licensing organization much like the music
industry's ASCAP or BMI. Here's the link:
This is for mainstream hollywood movies. There doesn't seem to be
anything similar for independents though.
But why are libraries spending their meager budgets on Hollywood
movies???? Especially since most of these movies are readily available
down at the local rental store for $3.99....something even poor people
Sure, you can buy a hollywood DVD down at wal-mart for $19.99....but
how does this support the educational mission that libraries were
started for in the first place? As someone who grew up on a farm in a
dirt poor rural community in south Georgia, the only place I had access
to educational materials was my school library during the school year
and the bookmobile during the summer. Now I have a master's degree. How
would having more access to Hollywood movies have helped me rise above
my situation? My grandfather, who grew up in the same community, could
neither read nor write. Eighty years ago there were no such educational
opportunities. Libraries and public schools made all the difference.
I've always thought librarians should view themselves as "collectors" of
educational material the same way art museums are collectors of great
art. Would you bother visiting an art museum if it was just filled with
cheap art prints the museum director picked up for $19.99 at the local
If you have a limited budget and you could buy three pulp fiction books
or one SAT Study Guide, which would you choose? Sure the study guide
might be more expensive but I would hope you'd choose the study guide.
I'm not sure how purchasing another Stephen King novel would have helped
me get into my first college. Thankfully my library DID have an SAT
And why should museum directors be using their donors' funds to help
sudsidize Wal-Mart? Likewise, why should libraries use tax payer funds
to subsudize Hollywood? Hollywood movies make their profits from
theatrical distribution. DVD sales are just pure profit. Educational
videos have to make ALL their money back from DVD sales. Thus they cost
more. And libraries are the ONLY distribution outlet for such videos--
so if you're spending your limited funds on cheap Hollywood DVD's you're
not only subsidizing Hollywood but you're killing educational video
I'm afraid if libraries simply become repositories for pulp fiction and
Hollywood movies, one day Congress will legitimately ask: what purpose
do libraries still serve? Do you really want to give Congress the excuse
they've been looking for to cut funding completely???? Sure your media
collections may grow slower by purchasing more expensive educational
DVDs but you can at least point out to your critics that this is the
ONLY place that makes them available to the public who otherwise would
not have access.
Just the opinion of a newly graduated video producer.
Gary C. Daniels
Native American History Videos
Jessica Rosner wrote:
>I wish it were so simple Rick but you have literally thousands and
>thousands of rights holders. We all know of the VAST majority of
>feature films were not available on VHS or DVD.The number will be FAR
>greater for digitizing. The things I know best foreign & independent
>features will be very difficult to do legally. I don't personally
>envision a situation in which it becomes legal to digitize a VHS or DVD
>and put it up for streaming without licensing. This is far too close to
>illegal music downloading etc and the big studios are not likely to let
>this in. I am not saying it won't happen all over the place but NOT
>legally and they will almost surely go after some institutions re
>entertainment stuff which in the end will have the same effect. I
>noticed Google has suspended its project for scanning major library
>collections due to objections from rights holders.
>Librarians and consumers alike have wanted movies to be like music with
>a kind of one stop or close to it licensing mode but again due to the
>HUGE number of different owners all over the world this will not happen
>What I personally fear is that the studios will get their pound of
>flesh in Huge licensing agreements but independent and individual
>rights holders will get screwed as they really can not do this on that
>>On 8/22/05 8:41 AM "Jessica Rosner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> sent this out:
>>>The technology may be there but I don't think the rights issues will
>>>ever catch up.
>>The rights issues will be sorted out relatively immediately once
>>consumers require/prefer on-demand streaming delivery.
>>For example, that's how VHS came to replace 16mm film in K-12
>>education. Once consumers started buying VHS players in vast
>>quantities, the prices came down and the schools could afford the
>>players. Bzzzzzt! No more 16mm purchases!
>>Once consumers expect streaming delivery and it's affordable, bzzzzt!
>>no more physical media!
>>Those producers/distributors who don't work out rights issues will no
>>longer be distributing their materials once the transition from
>>physical to virtual media fully unfolds.
>>Ps. I'm walking the talk - I watch on-demand via Comcast cable vs.
>>going to Blockbuster to rent the same title.
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