RE: [Videolib] lending video and film

Mark W. Kopp (
Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:35:02 -0400

Stored on the hosting company's server.... Must be more to the question,
but it IS Monday morning, and I'm not getting it.


-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Gary Handman
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Videolib] lending video and film

Wherz da content?


At 01:46 PM 4/8/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>The only "error" I see in your thinking, is that the institution
>actually doesn't have to maintain servers/bandwidth/infrastructure if
>they host it with someone who already does this type of service... i.e.

> All you need to provide is the "front end"
>database to search the titles, and the files are delivered
>Just something for you to think about..
>-----Original Message-----
>[] On Behalf Of Gary
>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:18 AM
>Subject: RE: [Videolib] lending video and film
>1) unless you spend big chunks of cash for mpg video servers and
>broadband infrastructure, streaming is still largely a joke in terms of

>image resolution and ease of classroom access
>2) Digitization and online synchronous delivery anywhere (including
>classrooms) requires securing copyright permission/licenses
> a) This is most certainly not possible for most feature
>special interest home video
> b) For independently produced/distributed non-fiction works:
> 1) What you gonna decide to digitize and license? I
>think of maybe a dozen titles in my collection of nearly
> 40K titles that I would consider digitizing based on
>consistency of use over time
> 2) Who's gonna do the work? The rights holder most
>certainly isn't going to do the digitization for you, which
>means someone on YOUR staff is going to have to crank
>analog over into digital; manage your server;
>develop the videographic access to this piece;
>the license.
>Seems to me that despite high loss rates, it's still more cost- and
>use-effective to rock along with disc and tape (at lease at this point
>in time)
>At 10:08 AM 4/8/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> >I wonder if any of you are considering digitizing videos for
> >streaming media access both on campus and remotely. We are doing a
> >small project with a couple of faculty members for classroom access
> >only. I am
> >at the cost of licensing, but the number of damaged, lost and out of
> >titles led us to consider this as a solution to avoid duplication of
> >titles for both campuses and replacement difficulties and costs
> >
> >Michael Brewer is correct - more and more film is being used in the
> >classroom. We have more requests than we have money for and to lose
> >the
> >titles once they have been acquired is distressing for faculty not to

> >mention staff who have to deal with the complaints and trying to
> >the titles. Any thoughts, suggestions, experiences?
> >
> >We do not ILL media, by the way. As far as I know, the rest of
> >community colleges in Florida, 28 in all, do not loan media. I
> >believe that the Florida state universities loan to faculty on other
> >campuses, but I do
> >know their policies.
> >
> >Sarah Johnson
> >Polk Community College
> >Winter Haven, FL
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:
> >[] On Behalf Of Brewer,
> >Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:20 AM
> >To:
> >Subject: RE: [Videolib] lending video and film
> >
> >All,
> >
> >I think it is critical that we figure out how to better allow for the

> >borrowing of media from other institutions. I think most places that

> >don't allow borrowing do so because they don't trust that the media
> >return undamaged.
> >
> >Film is being used more and more in courses and in scholarship across

> >disciplines. Films also often go out of print very quickly and are
> >damaged/lost/stolen at an exponentially higher rate than other media
> >least in our library). In this new access over ownership
> >environment, film scholars (and those that use film) end up getting
> >the short end of
> >the stick: because we (I am speaking of our institution and others
> >like
> >it) focus on access and put less money into purchasing materials as
> >we
> >in the past, if we were not lucky enough to purchase all the films
> >that
> >our faculty would need in the future at the time of their release
> >(and that is never possible with the funds we are given) and even if
> >none of
> >those films were stolen, lost or damaged, our faculty do not have the
> >access to items (films) we don't own through ILL as our print
> >oriented faculty have.
> >
> >It seems that, were clear stipulations on use (or levels of use)
> >defined for media loaned through ILL (perhaps some would loan only if

> >the film were to be used in a class or would remain in the library,
> >or even, forgive me public libraries, would only be loaned to
> >academic
> >etc.). Perhaps such gradations of use already exist. I don't know.
> >Because ILL is a separate unit in our library, I have very
> >to do with what goes on there. I have, however, spoken with them
> >about
> >issue of getting copies of videos that we owned but were lost, stolen
> >damaged and are not available for sale from other libraries (so we
> >make a legal copy) and was told that ILL departments often can make
> >special loan agreements on a case by case basis for things like this
> >borrow an out of print video from a library that usually doesn't loan

> >videos in order to make a legal copy in house).
> >
> >Does VRT make recommendations to national ILL groups? How much
> >control
> >do
> >other media librarians have over whether or not their collections are

> >loaned out through ILL? If you have had control over this and have
> >not
> >allowed your collection to be loaned out, why not? What are the
> >issues/impediments? Are there horror stories of what has happened
> >when
> >titles were loaned out, even with strict limitations on their use?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >mb
> >
> >Michael Brewer
> >Slavic Studies, German Studies & Media Arts Librarian University of
> >Arizona Library A210 1510 E. University P.O. Box 210055
> >Tucson, AZ 85721
> >Voice: 520.307.2771
> >Fax: 520.621.9733
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:
> >[] On Behalf Of Bergman,
>Barbara J
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:11 PM
> >To:
> >Subject: RE: [Videolib] lending video and film
> >
> >
> >Most of you have heard my pro-ILL soapbox speech before but...
> >
> >We starting lending 3 years ago. It's been a very positive
> >experience. As we all know, video collections are expensive. No
> >library can possibly own every video any more than it can have afford

> >every book.
> >
> >We lend videos with minimal restrictions. (The one unbreakable
> >restriction is that it doesn't go out if there's an upcoming
> >booking.) We follow a reciprocal borrowing/lending policy in that we
> >only borrow material types that they will lend and vice versa. This
> >is fairly
> >for ILL (especially when it comes to charging a fee for lending). In
> >translation: We only lend videos to requesting libraries who allow us

> >access to their videos in exchange. The first year, we compiled a
> >list of all titles loaned and borrowed --
> >was a fascinating mix of educational titles and feature films. We've
> >consistently borrowed twice as many videos as we'vee lent each
> >---------
> >Re: older formats. We will lend 16mm films on a case-by-case basis.
> >of the time when ILL staff replies with "Did you know this is a 16mm
> >film?" the response is "never mind I thought it was a videotape..."
> >
> >-------------
> >For policy, the VRT and ACRL have published guidelines that suggest
> >video ILL practices:
> >
> >Guidelines for Media Resources in Academic Libraries (1999)
> >
> >
> >5.1 Media resources should be accessible through resource sharing, in

> >accordance with the ALA Video Round Table Guidelines for the
> >Loan of Audiovisual Formats.
> >Commentary: Many libraries treat media collections as special
> >and prohibit their interlibrary loan. However, library users benefit
> >media collections are included in resource-sharing programs. No
> >library
> >can meet all of its users' needs for media resources, but libraries
> >are
> >reluctant to lend to our users if we do not lend to their users. The
> >guidelines recognize that some materials may be excluded, but in
> >there is no reason to exclude entire formats from interlibrary
> >lending.
> >
> >VRT Guidelines for the Interlibrary Loan of Audiovisual Formats
> >(1997)
> >.h
> >
> >
> >------------
> >
> >Barb Bergman
> >Media Services Librarian
> >Minnesota State University-Mankato
> >(507) 389-5945
> >
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>Gary Handman
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>Moffitt Library
>UC Berkeley
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Gary Handman
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