[Videolib] Question on Site license agreement - ABC News

Jessica Rosner (jrosner@kino.com)
Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:29:31 -0400

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Ok I should NOT fall for this but one last response
OF COURSE COPYRIGHT IS A MONOPLY , people who create ( or pay others to
a UNIQUE piece of work ARE THE OWNERS of this work. We can argue whether 95
is an unfair amount of time to protect Mickey Mouse but if a person writes
a book, or a company makes a film IT IS THEIRS. They can charge what they
want for it and you don't have to buy it or see it if you don't think the
price is fair.=20
Congratulations Jed you are the first person that every made me side with
on a copyright question
( No Dennis this DOES not mean I am going to root for the Mets, some things

Jessica Rosner
Kino International
333 W 39th St. 503
NY NY 10018

From: "Jed Horovitz" <JedH@internetvideoarchive.com>
Reply-To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:41:31 -0400
To: <videolib@library.berkeley.edu>
Subject: RE: [Videolib] Question on Site license agreement - ABC News vide=

Thanks. Your attitude that works are not fungible in any way is perfect
proof that copyright is a monopoly and should be thus regulated.
On a practicle level (and at a university where you are supporting
professors and researchers) I am sure there are situations where items are
not fungible BUT for the librarian building a collection (as opposed to
filling a request) the option is always there. Not everybody has the same
constraints and for those who don't the only thing that a large corporation
understands is when you vote with your $$$.

[Jed Horovitz]=20
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From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu]On Behalf Of Gary Handman
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:31 AM
To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
Subject: RE: [Videolib] Question on Site license agreement - ABC News video

Jed! this is simply not helpful. Buying something from "another more
reasonable company" is in most cases not an option. Effective collection
building in libraries entails acquiring specific materials to meet both
specific and general user needs. Those specific materials are very often
distributed by specific vendors (i.e. vendors that have the exclusive right=
to distribute the particular work). It's all good and well to rage against
IP indignities, but for working librarians, getting on with business means
dealing within the current requirements of copyright and licensing. I'm al=
for an idealistic going to the battlements in favor of broad IP rights for
libraries; I'm in favor of pushing copyright envelopes, as well. On the
other hand, if I need an ABC title, I'm damn well gonna do what it takes to
score it for my clients.


At 09:21 AM 9/17/2004 -0400, you wrote:
ABC is part of Disney empire. They are historically at the front of
expanding IP rights at the expense of society, consumers, future creators,
current competitors, you name it. Others follow by necessity. Please
resist and buy something from another more reasonable company. Jed
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From: videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-bounces@library.berkeley.edu]On Behalf Of Brigid Duffy
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:32 PM
To: videolib@library.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question on Site license agreement - ABC News video

I have run into this before with ABC News. Returned a tape to them once,
because of this.

Many ABC News shows are also sold by Films for the Humanities & Sciences
(http://www.films.com <http://www.films.com/> ) which does NOT make
purchasers sign this agreement.

Incidentally, we have had a purchase order hanging with ABC for many months
because they will not ship until the order is complete. I've limited myself
to calling once a month on this order; the last two times the person at ABC
said they would get back to me the same day on when I could expect
fulfillment. My next call is scheduled for October 5 ...

Brigid Duffy
Audio Visual/ITV Center
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132-4200
E-mail: bduffy@sfsu.edu

On Thursday, September 16, 2004, at 11:38 AM, Karen Harrison wrote:

<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Been lurking awhile on this list and
enjoying the variety of posts. Just cataloging a new video today published
by ABC News which included a full page Site license agreement indicating
that the agreement expires on08/30/2006! And on or before that date we
should send $25 to renew the agreement. Never seen a video license
agreement like this before. Is this common? If so, do other libraries wit=
videos keep track of these expirations and cough up the money to renew them=
The other parts of the agreement look pretty standard, i.e.- can=92t copy th=
video, or charge for viewing the video, etc..<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>

<?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?smaller>Karen Harrison
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><?smaller>Catalog Librarian
Vi Tasler Library,Bellevue,WA<?/smaller>

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Change your life for good=AE

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Gary Handman
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

<http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC> ****

"Movies are poems, a holy bible, the great mother of us."
--Ted Berrigan

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