Re: [Videolib] More on Chan Films

Jessica Rosner (
Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:10:43 -0400

This would deprive you of MY ALL TIME FAVORITE MOVIE; the one, the only KISS
ME DEADLY. Actually when I went to UCLA for grad school one very well known
film professor told me that the FIRST time she saw it , the thought it was
just a nasty misogynist violent "b" movie, only on second viewing did she
realize it was A MASTERPIECE.
If you think I rant on Chan, you don't want to get on my bad side
on Hammer but only of course for KISS ME DEADLY

jessica ( aka lilycarver)

Jessica Rosner
Kino International
333 W 39th St. 503
NY NY 10018

> From: Mike Tribby <> > Reply-To: > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:03:13 -0500 > To: "''" <> > Subject: RE: [Videolib] More on Chan Films > > Jessica's point about Nero Wolfe being a de-sexed older white detective is > well-taken. Wolfe is also afraid to leave his house (not just reluctant, > afraid) and he's a borderline misogynist. The Wolfe stories are peopled by > a constant stream of stereotyped characters--not unlike the Perry Mason > stories, Nancy Drew stories and any number of other mystery series and their > filmic offspring. It's part and parcel of detective fiction. Should I > object to Mike Hammer stories on film because the Hammer character > represents a stereotypical view of white men as sleazy, violent and prone to > drinking? (Come to think of it, how could *I* in particular reasonably > object to that characterization?) Asking for contextualization when the > Chan films are presented sounds fine to me; I'd like to see more background > given for a lot of films shown on television, and if FMC leads the way on > this whether under pressure or not, good for them. But no pop ups, please. > > > > Mike Tribby > Senior Cataloger > Quality Books Inc. > The Best of America's Independent Presses > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jessica Rosner [] > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:50 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [Videolib] More on Chan Films > > > My mistake I did not read the attachment first, I know found NAATA's > response more annoying. In their initial attack they did went after the Chan > CHARACTOR not the white Actor portrayal, so I think they are just trying to > look better Charlie Chan is a MIDDLE AGED man so he just as desexed as Nero > Wolf and other such detectives, hardly news to fans of this genre. ( best > line in one discussion group on this mentioned that obese Montenegrins would > want Nero Wolf off the air for offensive stereotypes). They are grasping at > anything to justify censorship. They go on to refer to the 46 Chan films and > the offensive black stereotypes in many of those, FINE BUT THOSE WERE NOT > THE ONES FOX OWNS OR WAS BROADCASTING , another Red Herring. I especially > liked the part were they claimed they were not trying to "censor" films and > said that like violence & Sex there should somehow be "limits" on racial > stereotypes. This is a silly comparison and cable stations routinely run > plenty of sex & violence not seen on commercial networks. I don't want the > racial stereotype police deciding what is and is NOT offensive. Huge numbers > of films especially from the silent era through the forties contain racial > stereotypes of Blacks, Jews, Italians, Irish etc Who is supposed to decide > what gets aired and in what "context" > > Also I still find it the height of hypocrisy ( Sorry Dennis) that NAATA > supports and ENCOURAGES screenings of films starring Anna May Wong & Sessue > Hayakawa many of which contain INCREDIBLY negative stereotypes of Asians but > tells us that we dare not watch Chan films without their guidance & sell > appointed context. > > This is EXACTLY what gives the right ammunition to attack "liberal" media > and academia. Either you believe in free speech and access or you don't No > one should put limits on my ability to watch these films , though obviously > Fox can because they own them and caved into to NAATA ( frankly I do believe > Mrs. Murdoch theory as I don't see Rupert suddenly becoming PC) > > Jessica > > > -- > Jessica Rosner > Kino International > 333 W 39th St. 503 > NY NY 10018 > > >> From: Gary Handman <> >> Reply-To: >> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:15:18 -0700 >> To: >> Subject: [Videolib] More on Chan Films >> >> >> Hello all! >> >> Just back from vacation, I found a note in my inbox from Eddie Wong of >> NAATA. Attached is a response from NAATA re the Chan films. More >> interestingly, Eddie tells me that NAATA is currently negotiating with >> Fox for possibly showing the Chan films with historical context. >> >> stay tuned! >> >> >> >> Gary Handman >> Director >> Media Resources Center >> Moffitt Library >> UC Berkeley >> >> >> >> "In societies where modern conditions of production prevail, all of >> life presents itself as an immense accumulation of spectacles." >> --Guy Debord >> _______________________________________________ >> Videolib mailing list >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Videolib mailing list > > > _______________________________________________ > Videolib mailing list > >

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