RE: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve
Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:41:07 -0600

Unless there was some misunderstanding on my part (which is very possible),
the speakers at the conferences must have reflected a very strict
interpretation of copyright!

I need to mention that my agency rarely uses feature films in its training
and educational activities, so the issue hardly ever arises. Consequently,
I may be relying on my bad memory!


-----Original Message-----
From: Bergman, Barbara J []
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve

Who has been talking to you Stephen?

Yes, you can use home use videos, rented from a video store, as long as
the other elements of fair use apply. You only need PPR when fair use
--face-to-face teaching, etc -- doesn't apply.

See this article "Can I show this video in my classroom," written by a
copyright lawyer, on the Library Video Company's web site.

Now, if you're doing some sort of public presentation, as opposed to a
regularly scheduled class, that's where PPR comes in.


Barb Bergman
Media Services Librarian
Minnesota State University-Mankato

-----Original Message-----
From: []
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve

Jessica, you provide an interesting interpretation on when an
needs PPR. At all of the copyright workshops I've attended (over the
years), the speakers emphasized the need for PPR for feature films and
video related materials for face-to-face teaching. Instructors could
use of
air recorded copies for face-to-face teaching, but there were severe
restrictions (e.g., 45 days, etc.). I've never heard that institutions
use "home use only" copies of feature films in face-to-face teaching.
Am I
misinterpreting something here?

Stephen V. Pomes, Librarian
Minerals Management Service
U.S. Dept. of the Interior
1201 Elmwood Park Blvd., MS 5031
New Orleans, LA 70123-2394
Telephone: 504-736-2521
Fax: 504-736-2525


Opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily correspond to those

my employer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica Rosner []
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve

I hope not because the title in question was on sale for $20 but PPR
would cost close to $200. I NEVER engage in two tiered pricing ( well OK
just once but it was not that big a difference and not listed on web
because I believe PPR is something VERY specific that only certain
institions need or should pay for. Basically PPR is for places that
want to use the item for Campus Closed Circuit or need/want to use the
for an actual PUBLIC ( ie NOT part of a closed classroom) screening.

I did speak to the school and sure enough they really don't know WHAT
WANT. Mostly they just wanted what they are already have under
law , use in class, ability to loan title & put on reserve.
I find it astonishing that any large institution would not know they DO
NOT need PPR for any of this. I find the PO's that attach the detailed
forms annoying but at least they give me the chance to let them know
that they can't copy or broadcast the item in question by checking NO on

Anyway PLEASE include phone & e mail on all PO's at at least it gives
us vendors an easy way to reach you

> From: Sarah Andrews <>
> Reply-To:
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:26:19 -0500
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve
> If I had to venture a guess on the positive side--
> Perhaps what the library in question MEANT to do was to simply convey
> if possible, they want to purchase the PPR, and want to be invoiced
> price. My pet peeve is when I see a website with a price (no
> price mentioned), send out a purchase order with that price on it, and
> get a notice back--"public performance rights/institutional price is
> please confirm."
> Sarah Andrews
> University of Iowa Libraries
> At 04:24 PM 4/14/2003, you wrote:
>> Ok there is my tong twister
>> I just got a PO from a major institution for a new DVD release
>> The PO Includes in the text that the title is Purchased WITH PUBLIC
>> PERFORMANCE RIGHTS. This drives me NUTS as it has NO legitimate legal
>> and will almost surely lead to this institution thinking or claiming
>> on things it does not have. In this case Kino DOES own the PPR but as
>> know many places you might send a PO ( including Kino depending on
>> title) DON'T OWN PPR. In any case PPR is virtually NEVER included on
>> Feature Fiction films. I have NO idea what the university wants the
>> FOR. Sometimes I get forms that at least ASK for specific rights
which I
>> always check NO on if it is in fact a PPR right ( sometimes they just
>> for things they have anyway like circulating the title on or off
>> What scares me is that this is a BIG school which I am sure sends out
>> of PO's like this one. Does anyone know of any other institutions
>> assume PPR if they stick in the PO?
>> Luckily this one has a phone # ( and e mail) otherwise I would
>> toss it
>> Jessica
>> --
>> Jessica Rosner
>> Kino International
>> 333 W 39th St. 503
>> NY NY 10018
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