Re: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve

Jessica Rosner (
Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:29:52 -0400

YES!!!. Face to face teaching exemption allows you to use any LEGAL
tape in a "real" class. This means you can take something out of Blockbuster
and show it in a class if you want but you can use anything you buy
from Kino, Facets etc in A CLASS. It must be PART of the course instruction
and limited to the students enrolled in the class but this is pretty basic.
As mentioned before very, very , VERY few feature films
COME with PPR rights anyway. If you signed an expensive licensing deal with
SWANK & Criterion ( the only two that really could) that MIGHT cover about
10-25% of your collection. You would go NUTS trying to license the rest, and
there would be MANY, MANY films you could NEVER get PPR rights on.

PPR is for PUBLIC USE such as a open screening or cable broadcast or I
suppose streaming (if you could ever get the rights for this).

Of course none of the above applies to our Canadian friends who
have much more restrictive copyright laws

Jessica Rosner
Kino International
333 W 39th St. 503
NY NY 10018

> From:
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> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:53:20 -0600
> To:
> Subject: RE: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve
> Jessica, you provide an interesting interpretation on when an institution
> needs PPR. At all of the copyright workshops I've attended (over the
> years), the speakers emphasized the need for PPR for feature films and other
> video related materials for face-to-face teaching. Instructors could use of
> air recorded copies for face-to-face teaching, but there were severe
> restrictions (e.g., 45 days, etc.). I've never heard that institutions can
> use "home use only" copies of feature films in face-to-face teaching. Am I
> misinterpreting something here?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jessica Rosner []
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:52 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve
> I hope not because the title in question was on sale for $20 but PPR
> would cost close to $200. I NEVER engage in two tiered pricing ( well OK
> just once but it was not that big a difference and not listed on web site)
> because I believe PPR is something VERY specific that only certain
> institions need or should pay for. Basically PPR is for places that either
> want to use the item for Campus Closed Circuit or need/want to use the title
> for an actual PUBLIC ( ie NOT part of a closed classroom) screening.
> I did speak to the school and sure enough they really don't know WHAT THEY
> WANT. Mostly they just wanted what they are already have under copyright
> law , use in class, ability to loan title & put on reserve.
> I find it astonishing that any large institution would not know they DO
> NOT need PPR for any of this. I find the PO's that attach the detailed
> forms annoying but at least they give me the chance to let them know
> that they can't copy or broadcast the item in question by checking NO on the
> box.
> Anyway PLEASE include phone & e mail on all PO's at at least it gives
> us vendors an easy way to reach you
> Jessica
>> From: Sarah Andrews <>
>> Reply-To:
>> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:26:19 -0500
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve
>> If I had to venture a guess on the positive side--
>> Perhaps what the library in question MEANT to do was to simply convey that
>> if possible, they want to purchase the PPR, and want to be invoiced the
>> price. My pet peeve is when I see a website with a price (no
> institutional
>> price mentioned), send out a purchase order with that price on it, and
> then
>> get a notice back--"public performance rights/institutional price is $,
>> please confirm."
>> Sarah Andrews
>> University of Iowa Libraries
>> At 04:24 PM 4/14/2003, you wrote:
>>> Ok there is my tong twister
>>> I just got a PO from a major institution for a new DVD release
>>> The PO Includes in the text that the title is Purchased WITH PUBLIC
>>> PERFORMANCE RIGHTS. This drives me NUTS as it has NO legitimate legal
> force
>>> and will almost surely lead to this institution thinking or claiming PPR
>>> on things it does not have. In this case Kino DOES own the PPR but as you
>>> know many places you might send a PO ( including Kino depending on the
>>> title) DON'T OWN PPR. In any case PPR is virtually NEVER included on
>>> Feature Fiction films. I have NO idea what the university wants the PPR
>>> FOR. Sometimes I get forms that at least ASK for specific rights which I
> can
>>> always check NO on if it is in fact a PPR right ( sometimes they just ask
>>> for things they have anyway like circulating the title on or off campus).
>>> What scares me is that this is a BIG school which I am sure sends out a
> lot
>>> of PO's like this one. Does anyone know of any other institutions which
> just
>>> assume PPR if they stick in the PO?
>>> Luckily this one has a phone # ( and e mail) otherwise I would literally
>>> toss it
>>> Jessica
>>> --
>>> Jessica Rosner
>>> Kino International
>>> 333 W 39th St. 503
>>> NY NY 10018
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