Re: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve

Jessica Rosner (
Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:51:32 -0400

I hope not because the title in question was on sale for $20 but PPR
would cost close to $200. I NEVER engage in two tiered pricing ( well OK
just once but it was not that big a difference and not listed on web site)
because I believe PPR is something VERY specific that only certain
institions need or should pay for. Basically PPR is for places that either
want to use the item for Campus Closed Circuit or need/want to use the title
for an actual PUBLIC ( ie NOT part of a closed classroom) screening.

I did speak to the school and sure enough they really don't know WHAT THEY
WANT. Mostly they just wanted what they are already have under copyright
law , use in class, ability to loan title & put on reserve.
I find it astonishing that any large institution would not know they DO
NOT need PPR for any of this. I find the PO's that attach the detailed
forms annoying but at least they give me the chance to let them know
that they can't copy or broadcast the item in question by checking NO on the

Anyway PLEASE include phone & e mail on all PO's at at least it gives
us vendors an easy way to reach you

> From: Sarah Andrews <>
> Reply-To:
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:26:19 -0500
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] PPR Po Pet Peeve
> If I had to venture a guess on the positive side--
> Perhaps what the library in question MEANT to do was to simply convey that
> if possible, they want to purchase the PPR, and want to be invoiced the PPR
> price. My pet peeve is when I see a website with a price (no institutional
> price mentioned), send out a purchase order with that price on it, and then
> get a notice back--"public performance rights/institutional price is $,
> please confirm."
> Sarah Andrews
> University of Iowa Libraries
> At 04:24 PM 4/14/2003, you wrote:
>> Ok there is my tong twister
>> I just got a PO from a major institution for a new DVD release
>> The PO Includes in the text that the title is Purchased WITH PUBLIC
>> PERFORMANCE RIGHTS. This drives me NUTS as it has NO legitimate legal force
>> and will almost surely lead to this institution thinking or claiming PPR
>> on things it does not have. In this case Kino DOES own the PPR but as you
>> know many places you might send a PO ( including Kino depending on the
>> title) DON'T OWN PPR. In any case PPR is virtually NEVER included on
>> Feature Fiction films. I have NO idea what the university wants the PPR
>> FOR. Sometimes I get forms that at least ASK for specific rights which I can
>> always check NO on if it is in fact a PPR right ( sometimes they just ask
>> for things they have anyway like circulating the title on or off campus).
>> What scares me is that this is a BIG school which I am sure sends out a lot
>> of PO's like this one. Does anyone know of any other institutions which just
>> assume PPR if they stick in the PO?
>> Luckily this one has a phone # ( and e mail) otherwise I would literally
>> toss it
>> Jessica
>> --
>> Jessica Rosner
>> Kino International
>> 333 W 39th St. 503
>> NY NY 10018
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