Re: Thanx for replies re: Amazon vs. others

Jim Mumm (
Tue, 9 May 2000 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT)

Judy (et. al.)

The answer to your question (Is it true that shipping charges generally bring
the cost up to the price a book would be in my Borders or Barnes and Noble or
Tower bookstore?) is, it depends on your mix of books.

Amazon charges shipping at a rate of $3.00 per order plus $0.99 per book, so an
order of one book would have shipping charge of $3.99, while 3 books would be
$5.97 and so on. (Shipping prices for other types of materials is different.
You can find this out by visiting their web site and clicking on "Help")

If you order one book that has no discount, you will probably be better off
going down the street to Borders or B&N. If, on the other hand you order 5
books that have a 30% discount, you will most likely come out ahead. (That is
assuming, of course, that Borders or B&N are not also discounting the titles in
their stores.)

Amazon seems to discount titles such as popular works, and major imprints. I
usually find that titles listed in the Chronicle of Higher Ed are discounted
(especially if they are from a major trade publisher). Generally, titles that
are done by specialty or smaller publishers will not be discounted. I think the
discount really goes to the amount Amazon has in stock, or the discount they
have negotiated with the publisher.

You can find out more about their pricing and shipping policy by visiting their
website and clicking on "Help".


Judy Jones wrote:

> I'm jumping into this with a question. Amazon has not carried 99% of what I
> queried and ,therefore, have never ordered anything through them. Is it
> true that shipping charges generally bring the cost up to the price a book
> would be in my Borders or Barnes and Noble or Tower bookstore?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Mumm []
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:20 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Thanx for replies re: Amazon vs. others
> I think both Milos (Subject: Sailing down to Amazon) and Dennis make some
> very
> valid points.
> In my message yesterday I alluded to mega-store competition (i.e. Amazon &
> Buy.Com) as being an important part of the capitalistic society. I agree,
> however, that often times the gigantic tend to get bigger while the little
> guys
> disappear, but I also think they can motivate the smaller player to change
> and
> come up with innovative ideas.
> A few years ago "Builder's Square" moved into our neighborhood. For those
> who
> don't know, Builder's Square is/was a mega-hardware / home goods type chain.
> A
> lot of people thought our local hardware store would be wiped out. As it
> turned
> out, people realized that they did not get the service from Builder's Square
> that
> they demanded, and they returned to the slightly more expensive, local guys.
> In
> fact, the local store had to expand because of the increase in business.
> Now, recently, "Home Depot" moved in and "Builder's Square" left. They new
> they
> could not compete with each other, and HD won out.
> My point is that heavy "mega" competition has its place, and we should not
> feel
> that we have to avoid the big guys out of fear that we will be responsible
> for the
> demise of other suppliers.
> As has been stated, Amazon and the like cannot make up for the service and
> product
> that the "smaller" stores provide. Tied to this, I believe that Facets will
> hold
> its own, because, first of all I think it is a very well established
> company. It
> has such a strong, positive reputation in the library community, and I think
> libraries will be willing to spend a little extra for the expert service
> that
> people like Milos provide.
> Anyway, that's my thinking of the day.
> --
> Jim Mumm
> Acquisitions / Serials Librarian
> Marquette University Law Library
> 414-288-5351
> 414-288-5914 FAX
> wrote:
> > In a message dated 5/8/00 11:35:25 AM, writes:
> >
> > << We don't need to worry that our purchases from a different source are
> > going to
> > erode their livelihood. Rather, free market purchasing forces the
> "mainstay"
> > companies to be even more effective and responsible in their approach to
> the
> > market. >>
> >
> > Yes, I agree and no I don't. Free market is a term that is similar to
> "What's
> > good for General Motors is good for the country." Yes, big business is a
> good
> > thing because it brings you items cheaply and in abundance -- unless you
> > happen to purchase a Ford Pinto or find the company your dealing with is
> > selling arms to Iraq.
> >
> > There is also an It's a Wonderful Life approach to life where one goes out
> of
> > their way to support a company (small or large) simply because you agree
> with
> > their goals and ideals. It's partly how Milestone has stayed in business
> for
> > so many years.
> >
> > The smaller producers and distributors need librarians' support and I know
> > it's easier (and many times a more popular decision) to buy 10 copies of
> > Sixth Sense (a fine movie in its own right) than buying one Bulgarian
> movie
> > from a small distributor and have to put up with that extra paperwork.
> >
> > This society is moving towards a Big Mac syndrome where the bigger is
> better
> > (the anal attention to box office gross by the media every Monday as a
> sign
> > of a film's quality is simply maddening) and if we want that cozy family
> > bistro down the street, it'll be there when we need it. (It won't be.)
> This
> > is happening all over the country where incredible, family-store video
> stores
> > -- with every foreign and classic film you desire are in stock -- are
> going
> > under every day (literally) because Blockbuster moves in across town.
> >
> > Yes, I absolutely buy books from Barnes and Nobles and Amazon (they're
> also
> > very good customers of Milestone) and take up some of those incredible
> offers
> > for DVD on Too many, in fact. At the same time, I make sure I
> drive
> > down to the local used bookstore and new bookstore to buy something at
> least
> > once a month. I have lovely chats with them and get new ideas on what to
> read
> > -- or see or do in town.
> >
> > Now, Facets is a very good company and can take care of themselves. I
> > especially appreciate them because they might give my films a little extra
> > attention than some of the larger companies. They'll also acquire an
> amazing
> > work for distribution like The Decalogue and god-knows-how-many great
> Eastern
> > European films that I don't know if I'd myself handle, simply because they
> > think it's neccessary.
> >
> > I was a little disturbed by the concept that libraries and schools not
> that
> > they might go elsewhere because they can get it a few cents cheaper from
> one
> > source or another, but more so that they might not buy titles at all
> because
> > their ordering department is too busy and prefer buying in bulk. (This
> wasn't
> > particularly said, but I took it to the next, and possibly future,
> horrifying
> > level.)
> >
> > Dennis Doros
> > Milestone Film & Video
> > PO Box 128
> > Harrington Park, NJ 07640-0128
> > Phone: (201) 767-3117 or (800) 603-1104
> > Fax: (201) 767-3035
> > Email:
> > Website: <A
> HREF="">http://www.milestonefil
> ></A>